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Even worse than sound... (sorry Craig)
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2002 3:38 am
by Mr.Waesel
... Is a SOLAR!!! It's got Cr 19, but i doubt if even a party of 25 level adventurers could handle one. WHY DOES THIS THING HAVE SUCH A "LOW" CR?! Coincidentally, a titan has got the highest Cr of any (standard, non-advanced) monster in the book, 21. The Tarrasque, has got 20. but it's much more dangerous. WHY IS THIS?! (why has it got a lower cr than a titan, not why it is dangerous.)
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2002 4:21 am
by Mysteria
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2002 4:31 am
by Craig
Solars are limited, goodly and all evil people arte hard nuts.The titen can cast spells, has huge stats and could EASILY kick the tarraque, the tarrasque is only hard as it is immune to ray spells(None in the divine spell book) and needs wish to kill it, A titen could whoop one of these if prepared.The Tarraques other advantige is that it just attacks, no micromanagement nothing to disprupt.And besides a Great (Gold) Wyrm is CR 26.
P.S Tarrasques are not immune to sonics
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2002 4:57 am
by Rodo
The tarrasque's carpace also reflects lines and cones which means all breath weapons, spells like cone of cold and similar effects and even if it's not immune to something you have to get by its spell resistance and even if you got by that, the tarrasque would simply regenerate the wound (seeing as how there's nothing that can negate it's regeneration).
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2002 2:41 am
by Mr.Waesel
Originally posted by Mysteria
*looks at Mr Waesel's location*
what are you planning to do?!?
Found out...again
@ craig:The regeneration of the tarrasque means it would smear the titan's sorry little ass all the way through the block and down into next week. The titan may have better stats, but it's only got a damage reduction of 20/+1. The tarrasque has got 25/+5. Combined with it's regeneration, the titan could never hurt it with it's weapons. The spells of a titan would never deal enough damage in one round. The tarrasque would charge it, swallow it whole and wait 'till it's digested. ( the titan has no weapons to cut itself free and it could never get a spell of with all the damage he's taking each round.)
You're right, a Solar only fights evil, but then it could still beat a party of lvl 25 EVIL characters.
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:59 am
by Craig
Look out for the monk Titan cos any creature with DR of say --/+1 can hit any creature that needs +1, the Tarrasque, it would charge and then The titan would trip it, and lay the smack down on it's prone ass then cast wish. It isn't even anything to do with Strengh, any Titan worth its holy aura will know that the Tarrasque is there and prepare, and it would possibly get back up, mainly perpendicular with a 90-270 ft gap, soif the tarrasque does kill/maim/hurt one titan the other can charge or use a MEA to get there and hurt it back.(It's nothing personal)
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2002 5:05 am
by Craig
Spell-Like Abilities: At will: alter self, bless, charm person or animal, commune with nature, cure light wounds, eyebite, fire storm, halt undead, hold monster, invisibility, levitate, light, magic circle against evil, mirror image, pass without trace, persistent image, produce flame, summon nature’s ally II, remove curse, remove fear, shield, speak with plants, summon swarm, and whispering wind; 2/day-astral projection and etherealness. These abilities are as the spells cast by a 20th-level sorcerer (save DC 14 + spell level). Once every other round, a titan can use holy smite as a 20th-level cleric.
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2002 5:14 am
by Nippy
Originally posted by craig
Look out for the monk Titan cos any creature with DR of say --/+1 can hit any creature that needs +1, the Tarrasque, it would charge and then The titan would trip it, and lay the smack down on it's prone ass then cast wish. It isn't even anything to do with Strengh, any Titan worth its holy aura will know that the Tarrasque is there and prepare, and it would possibly get back up, mainly perpendicular with a 90-270 ft gap, soif the tarrasque does kill/maim/hurt one titan the other can charge or use a MEA to get there and hurt it back.(It's nothin personal)
Just one thing Craig, I don't think you can trip the Tarrasque...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2002 10:27 am
by Craig
Lets review the facts, If my titan has the 20 lvl of monk, it doesn't lose the Spell like abilities or the spells, at lvl 5(?6?) it gets sliding tackle which is equal to improved trip, which means I provoke no AoO if I trip some one up, If the the Tarrasque enters MY square he threatens an AoO, you can trip on an AoO.
In short If the tarrasque DARES enter my Square it's on it's ass.
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 2:14 am
by Mr.Waesel
Originally posted by Craig[?I]
If my titan has the 20 lvl of monk, it doesn't lose the Spell like abilities or the spells, at lvl 5(?6?) it gets sliding tackle which is equal to improved trip, which means I provoke no AoO if I trip some one up, If the the Tarrasque enters MY square he threatens an AoO, you can trip on an AoO.
Yes, but that titan would have a CR of 41, compared to the tarrasque's 20, it's a fixed battle.
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 4:24 am
by Craig
Ok, I'll get the feat normally, and buy, a +5 greathammer(Wossnamingly large)
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 9:56 am
by Rodo
It still doesn't matter. Any damage the tarrasque takes is instantly converted into subdual (read: nothing can negate the regeneration), and the tarrasque heals 40 points of such damage each round. And about the SR, the titan would have to roll a 12 or higher on his caster level check to overcome the tarrasque's SR (unless you give him Spell Penetration/Greater Spell Penetration in which case he needs to roll 10/8).
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 11:39 am
by Craig
And once I do 870 damage I cast wish, he is dead
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:11 am
by Durwyn
Craig, it doesnt need to enter your square, it has a further reach than you. And if needed tha Terresque could run away. (Dash, 150 ft walking speed, heh)
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2002 7:59 am
by Nippy
Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:16 am
by Craig
Ok then (I was actualy thinking that it would dash first round)
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:41 am
by Mr.Waesel
Okay, but still give me a reason why a Solar has got 19 CR.
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:34 am
by Craig
because of all the spells that insto-kill, charm, and banish outsiders.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:16 am
by Mr.Waesel
You misunderstood me; I meant why has it got "ONLY" 19 Cr.