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What's I find even more amazing is what people will refuse to believe, especially considering some of the things people will believe.Originally posted by fable
It's amazing what people will believe.
For example?Originally posted by Sailor Saturn
What's I find even more amazing is what people will refuse to believe, especially considering some of the things people will believe.
I know most people at this board will disagree with me, but here's the example I was specifically thinking of: People seem to find it easy to believe that everything happened against insurmountable odds so that we would evolve to the point we're at right here right now; yet, they find it impossible to believe that God created the universe and us and cares about us.Originally posted by Waverly
For example?
Pretty good: I'm adding that to my "Fun" folder of things to check on breaks.
Those odds are exactly one. It happened. It's like being amazed that number came up in the lottery after it has been drawn. The odds of an event may be remote prior to occurrence, but but there will be an occurrence it's probability will be 100% once it has occurred. You know this.Originally posted by Sailor Saturn
I know most people at this board will disagree with me, but here's the example I was specifically thinking of: People seem to find it easy to believe that everything happened against insurmountable odds so that we would evolve to the point we're at right here right now...
But when the odds against something happening becomes astronomical, like 1 to 1 thousand trillion, even scientists admit that such a thing actually occurring by accident is impossible. It's too bad they don't apply this principle in all fields of knowledge. But I've found out long ago that faith has less to do with logic and probabilities than it does with psychology. If a person simply refuses to believe in the obvious, nothing you tell him will convince him otherwise.Originally posted by Waverly
Those odds are exactly one. It happened. It's like being amazed that number came up in the lottery after it has been drawn. The odds of an event may be remote prior to occurrence, but but there will be an occurrence it's probability will be 100% once it has occurred. You know this.
http://www.randi.org/
Thanks: it was fun, too. I most certainly do believe in things that are beyond rational proof, such as any concept of deity, but I'm always delighted to see people making intelligent demands for proof of any call by a third party to follow a banner.
You don’t get it. Once something has happened the odds are 100%. It’s a mathematical certainty, no longer open to debate among scientists, shepherds, or song writers. It just is.Originally posted by EMINEM
But when the odds against something happening becomes astronomical, like 1 to 1 thousand trillion, even scientists admit that such a thing actually occurring by accident is impossible. It's too bad they don't apply this principle in all fields of knowledge. But I've found out long ago that faith has less to do with logic and probabilities than it does with psychology. If a person simply refuses to believe in the obvious, nothing you tell him will convince him otherwise.
A good allegorical example of this is the Uncle in The Magician's Nephew by C.S. Lewis who was so insistant in his refusal to believe the Narnian animals could talk that he actually heard roars/etc instead of words.Originally posted by EMINEM
But when the odds against something happening becomes astronomical, like 1 to 1 thousand trillion, even scientists admit that such a thing actually occurring by accident is impossible. It's too bad they don't apply this principle in all fields of knowledge. But I've found out long ago that faith has less to do with logic and probabilities than it does with psychology. If a person simply refuses to believe in the obvious, nothing you tell him will convince him otherwise.
Like T' says, we shouldn't debate evolution and creationism here, either we start a new thread or bump the old one.Originally posted by T'lainya
Let's please keep this thread on the original topic.
If anyone wishes to bring up the evolution/creation debate either start a new thread or find one of the previous ones.
Thank you, T
You're generalizing a bit too much, I believe. If something has happened, the odds of it happening are unchanged. The odds that it has happened are at 100%, of course. So, the odds of evolution happening are still insurmountably against it happening. Also, considering that evolution is supposed to be a 'continuing' thing, it would happen innumrable(sp?) times at the cellular and molecular level, which means that the odds for it happening each of those times are sitll insurmountably against it happening, no matter how many times it might have happened in the past.Originally posted by Waverly
Those odds are exactly one. It happened. It's like being amazed that number came up in the lottery after it has been drawn. The odds of an event may be remote prior to occurrence, but but there will be an occurrence it's probability will be 100% once it has occurred. You know this.
Just so it is known, I'm not discussing evolution and creationism. I am discussing probability and how amazing it is that people will actually believe ridiculous things.Originally posted by C Elegans
Like T' says, we shouldn't debate evolution and creationism here, either we start a new thread or bump the old one.
Except that the odds are still the same as the first time, even when there have been 999 billion tries.when the number of tries are so many, it happened even if probablility is low