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I was spamming with Yshania when the topic came up--it's worth discussing IMO.

With all the eyewitnesses and the recent discovery (about 30 years ago) of the recently killed plesiosaurus off the Japan coastline, do you suppose that perhaps plesiosauruses--or Nessie even--could still be around today?

I personally believe that Nessie is NOT a legend, but a plesiosaurus that has probably long since died. What do you think of Nessie?

A bit to big if you ask me

XMI, (excuse my ignorance) but who or what is Nessie?

Originally posted by Morlock:
<STRONG>XMI, (excuse my ignorance) but who or what is Nessie?</STRONG>

The Loch Ness Monster

Originally posted by Morlock:
<STRONG>XMI, (excuse my ignorance) but who or what is Nessie?</STRONG>

Whatever you want it to be, imagination is such a wonderful thing.

I thought that, but what does it have to do with Japan? Loch Ness is still in Scotland, right?
Could someone fill me in on the history?
(of this thread, that is)

At some point in the late 1960's-early 1970's a large, decaying dead was discovered at sea by a group of Japanese fishermen. The animal could not have died more than several years ago. It still had some flesh attached to the bones and everything.

It was a plesiosaurus, a dinosaur that was thought to have gone extinct thousands of years ago.

So perhaps, IMO, the Loch Ness Monster could have existed, although she's probably died by now, her kin may have taken over. After all, marine animals could be anywhere at any point where they can live--the world was one big giant continent six thousand years ago. So perhaps the Plesiosaurus were able to survive in the temperate-to-marine climate of Scotland and thus survived up to this point living in the lake.

Given the number of years since that creature traveled freely among the seas, it would have taken a massive population in order to see them survive to current day. It is a biological impossibility.

We said that about grunty, but something... Life found a way...

I was under the impression that the creatures identity had not been prove to be 100% positive. I will look it up, I might be wrong.

Originally posted by Shadow Sandrock:
<STRONG>At some point in the late 1960's-early 1970's a large, decaying dead was discovered at sea by a group of Japanese fishermen. The animal could not have died more than several years ago. It still had some flesh attached to the bones and everything.

It was a plesiosaurus, a dinosaur that was thought to have gone extinct thousands of years ago.</STRONG>

Fascinating! Do you have a link where I could find out more about this?
P.S. What do people here think of Sasquatch? (No, not Grunt )

Originally posted by Kayless:
<STRONG>Fascinating! Do you have a link where I could find out more about this?
P.S. What do people here think of Sasquatch? (No, not Grunt )</STRONG>

I don't have a link, it was in my Science book.

And I've never heard of Sasquatch, outside of the Rugrats TV show, where they persistently referred to him as 'Satchmo'.

Originally posted by Shadow Sandrock:
<STRONG>And I've never heard of Sasquatch, outside of the Rugrats TV show, where they persistently referred to him as 'Satchmo'. </STRONG>

Sasquatch is often referred to as "Big Foot" IIRC

I believe that the oceans is the one place on this earth where we are guaranteed to learn new things. Who knows what kind of creatures live at the bottom of the ocean. All I know about it is that it is very deep and it could still hold some mysteries....

I however fail to see how this can be linked to the Loch Ness monster. I am not up to date on my geography, but I can't remember Loch Ness ever being linked up with the ocean. At least not at a time where it would warrant sitings of Nessie....

There is a theory which connects the two that suggests the pictures of nessie are the same species of creature as the one found in Japan, i have heard documentary's on the subject before....they have however slipped my mind

Okay I've found some [url="http://www.geocities.com/rabpid7/SHARK_OR_DINOx.html"]links[/url] on the corpse pulled up by the Zuiyo Maru in 1977. The case is ambiguous but compelling just the same (most western scientists say it was a Basking Shark carcass). Call me naïve, but like Mulder, "I want to believe."

Originally posted by Shadow Sandrock:
<STRONG>I've never heard of Sasquatch, outside of the Rugrats TV show, where they persistently referred to him as 'Satchmo'. </STRONG>

You've never heard of Sasquatch?! Bigfoot? The Yeti? The Abominable Snowman? There's a theory that suggests that Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) are surving relatives of the genus Gigantopithecus. Gigantopithecus (the Latin word for "Giant Ape") was a giant cousin of the orangutan, and is presumed to be extinct. You can find out more [url="http://bfro.net/REF/THEORIES/MJM/whatrtha.htm"]here[/url]. Here's a pic of a Gigantopithecus reconstruction that was done. Ain’t cryptozoology grand?


[ 01-11-2002: Message edited by: Kayless ]

Originally posted by Shadow Sandrock:
<STRONG><snip>It was a plesiosaurus, a dinosaur that was thought to have gone extinct thousands of years ago.

the world was one big giant continent six thousand years ago. </STRONG>

You're forgetting a couple of zeros there Sandy.

Originally posted by Gandalfgal The Talking Variant:
<STRONG>You're forgetting a couple of zeros there Sandy. </STRONG>

Actually, I am not evolutionist, I believe in creation by God, but let's not get into that. It doesn't really matter when we're talking about a creature alive and kickin' now.

And about Sasquatch, I've heard a lot about Bigfoot, I just never really researched into it. I was joking about the whole dead trumpet player thing.

Anyways, it is believed by Christian scientists that the plesiosaurus could have lived in the lake by swimming there after the Flood, when the whole world was covered by water. But then again you never know.