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I've read a bunch of this, I cant claim I've gone over everything. Sorry fable sometimes your facts just well there just not riviting

Heh... but I feel like voicing my opinion..
War is a natural thing, like the lion defends his den man will claim land for his own.
Killing is natural. I know many people think murder is horribly wrong but I... well I think it sucks and I know I definitly wouldn't want to die. I mean I live in LA and the thought of being killed by terrorists (I mean its either newyork or La in my mind you know...) sucks ass. I mean it isn't fun. But well lifes life. War is going on, my country the place i pay taxes the place i vote is blowing the hell outa places all over the world. I got friends and family in the military some just supporting some actually in bahgdad with a kill count.
This makes me part of this war as much as my bro who is just fixing f16's in Utah.
I can understand the "need" to be a suicide bomber (Not the need to attack civilians I am speaking souly of the weapon a suicide bomber is). Weapons of war are exactly that, weapons. I see those who strap a bomb to thier chest, crash thier plane into an aircraft carrier or those who just charge head first leaving caution to the wind. Weapons of war, not weapons of terror. The actual suicide bomber (remember not talking about targets, just the weapon) is a very usefull weapon. I mean look at Nam, those guys who'd run into camp dive into the officer tent and boom.. Works well.
War is the peak of mans beast like qualities, to kill to hunt to destroy to prolong the survival of his tribe.
Now heres what I think of these weapons being used on strictly civilian people. When two men battle to death for food/land/religion, when a wolf stalks his prey when a hawk comes down on his dinner it is a thing of nature. It is always constant. I cant begin to claim I understand hte plight of either peoples... but from what I gather the Palestinian people are using such devastating weapons of war on those who are innocent. I am not sure about the Isreal people and how thier state is going on, what the average person gives to their military I can not claim it is the same as I. In which I believe I definitly aid to the bombing of Iraq with my taxes, so I do not believe in any sense it is ok for them to target those people. If the suicide bombers regularly hit military places and rarely hit civilians but still did I would not condone it so as I do, because war is hell and innocent people die.
The conflict is war and in war people do drastic things. Horrible horrible things. Hitler to the jews, blacks, gypsies etc, American to the Indians (and Im not talking about blankets im talking about the stuff I've read in which men were issued to use the butt of thier guns to save bullets when killing the youth) Iraq gassing the kurds.
Some of them we can justify, usually the winning party does the justifying "Hey look we did this for the common good of everyone" or "they were the worse at the time" But the reality is it is all "bad" but neccisary. Life could never continue without death.
Ok I tend to ramble and not make a point or direct people to thinking I mean something else. My point shorter...
Suicide bombers in Palestine attack those who do not directly wish to combat with them, Isreal retalites (and sometime attacks first) those who wish battle with them. In my opinion the oppresed state that wishes to win a war should never concentrate on civilians, it wont succeed militarly ever. I think thier random bombings of children and mothers is not just horrible cruel but moronic. I mean like someone else posted, when has this worked?
As an American I was for the invasion of Iraq for whatever reasons. In our invasion children and mothers have died. This means i can not stand up and say "they are just so horrible and evil and bad and oh my god humans shouldn't kill death is bad ooo no".
I would be a hypocrite.
It is common ground to believe we are above murder but every day so many people die it only proves we are still just animals who like to pretend we are more important than the common dog.
Some on this board have experianced these bombings, some have known those who would willingly do so. Some are so ignorant they claim they know when they cant percieve even the notion. I like to pretend im knowledgable but ignorant at the same time... my words come from the mouth of a Southern Californian resident, my worst danger is traffic. Not a bomb on a bus.
War is hell and I dont mean tv war hell I dont mean "Oh wow 12 innocents died today" I mean Hilter Hell I mean Nuclear bomb hell, I mean cutting up corspses and throwing them over castle walls hell. Stuff we cant even imagine.
I guess my stance is that Palestine is dumb, excuse my ignorance or my rash use of the term.
Were all just animals trying to pretend were not. Is CM horrible for believing that bombing civilians is justified, no. Is he incorrect in the sense its actually doing something good for the cause of hte palestinians, Yes. You show me a war in which one side fought without doing horrible things that we dont even want to imagine, and I'll show you fantasy.
p.s. if you got a big problem with what I posted PM me, I dont intend to flame on this board.