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I bet that was deliberate :D

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Wow.
A lot happend while I was away in this thread in which I was a regular.
I'm answering the posts one by one.

Warning- long post!

@Georgi: How could the ballots close on March 19 if the nomintions are anounced Febuary 12?
Couldn't you idolise someone who makes consistently good movies

Name one person like this.
Your not well disposed at the moment.

I am obviously a bigger fan then you, so I'm not going leave him because of a bad movie.
Your right, AI was realy bad, but keep in mind that this was Kubrick film made by someone else, it can't be that good. Also AI was done for the memory of Kubrick, who developed the movie for years, if Spielberg didn't do it last year, it would'nt have been done.
The Best Picture Oscar isn't going to go to the year's best movie, because it hasn't even been nominated.


Of course your right, Jay and Silent Bob strike back should win, but What IYO was the best movie?

@Sleepy: I think THX 1138 was George Lucas' movie. Either way I know it wasn't Spielberg's.

Crowe was reading a poem during his speach and was cut off.
He yelled and cursed at the producer of the show.

I thought the Insider was a pretty bad movie. Crowe was good, but his accent was too fake for me. I think he was best in gladiator and almost as good in L.A confidential.

@Tamerlane: As much as I hate to admit it, JP2 was his movie.

Definetly Baz Luhrman should have been nominated, but not having seen Black hawk down or Mulholland drive, I don't know if he was better the Linch or Ridley.
I totaly agree that Nicole Kidmen should win. Even if Sissy Spacek was better, I realy don't like her.

Now to answer why I like Spielberg:

I don't only look at the movie, but also at the making. For example- I didn't realy like Close encounters, but seeing how he made the movie, I respect it.

Jaws: was extriemly effective, but I don't like the subject.

Close encounters: The last 40 minutes were impresive, but I only saw the movie last year, so Independence day's graphics were just as impresive.

E.T: I think it was an OK movie with great parts and score.

Raiders: Do I have to say anything else? It is a great movie, with great actors,(Ford and John Rhys Davis) with great music (I'll get to that later :D ) and an amazing opening scene( not as amazing as it was 20 years ago, but still).

Temple of doom: bad story- which means bad movie.

Last crusade: I think its his most enternaining movie- It has a good story, amazing actors (Sean Connery takes it up a notch), great adventure, very good action, some comic releaf, (Sean Connery's lines and interaction with Ford are so funny) and of course (for me) an amazing score - first the main theme, then the "Scherzo for motorcycle and orchestra" or as I like to call it, the Nazis theme. Plus a lot of nazis die in it.

Hook: one of his less apritiated movie, I thought it was a fun movie, again with a great score (especialy "Presenting the hook")

Schindler's list: the most powerful and emotional movie I've ever seen, with a score to match. Liam Neesan and Ben Kingsley were great in it.

Jurrasic park: Behind the scenes is more impresive then the movie itself, but still a very good movie, very effective in its graphics after about 10 minutes in to the movie- I forgot the dinasaurs were fake. Plus the amazing score.

JP2: bad all around- I'll admit it.

Amistad: A good idea, but not an especialy atractive subject. Plus the story wasn't done well.

Saving private Ryan: A great movie with an extraordinarily good opening scene. Great cast. The best war based movie in a while. (I think the last one was "Dirty Douzen" :D )

AI: Faulty story, actors (except for the great Brenden Gleeson) and design in Any hands other than Kubrick's.

Minority Report: I'm always sceptical about sci fi movies, but with Spielberg directing and John Williams scoring- I'll expect it to be at least better than most.

Catch me if you can: good story- I already bought and read the two books on the subject (Thanks to Georgi for the name ;) ) and it seems like it could be a good movie, but I realy hate Dicaprio so I probably won't like it. But again- with Spielberg and Williams- I hope for the best.

Indiana Jones 4: I think any way they do it, it will be bad- because:
A. Harrison Ford is 14 years older.
B. A different actor would ruin it.
C. Jones is already immortal- how can you continue if he can't die?
D. Even if you ignore that fact- it will just seem like inventing a new story, like James Bond- which I think wasn't as good since Connery stopped, and realy bad since Roger Moore stopped.

If you didn't like him before, this probably won't change your mind, but it is my duty to defend him.

A note: I think that a big reason that me and many others have immortalised his movie is because of the amzing scores by John Williams. I know I had a thread aout him a while back, but I stll am in awe of him. Every single one of his scores fit perfectly with the movie, even if not all were good.
Think of it this way: would Jaws scare you without the build up music? would the climax of E.T., on the bikes realy be good without the score? Darth Vader without the Empirial march? "a long,long time ago" without the theme? Schindler without the music? and For me at least, even the olympics without the fanfare and theme by Williams'?

Just some food fo thought.

I told you it would be long.

BTW I saw Gosford park last night- I'll post my thought later.

P.S. I edited the post a bit.
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I noticed I have tuns of spelling and gramarical errors in my post.
My aploligies.
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@Sleepy & Georgi: Where are you guys?
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Jaws!!! and Indiana Jones :rolleyes:

I racked my brains trying to figure out which movies he directed which were not mentioned already. Unfortunately I could only come up with Jurassic Park. Jaws is well you know Jaws :D and Indiana Jones, damn that was a great series. Then there is Schindlers List and like you said, a powerful and emotional movie.

As much as I'd hate to say it, I hope IndyIV doesn't even get off the ground. It's just too similar to what Bond has already done. A severly aged person fighting the communists? If I remember the cold war ended a long time ago.
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Originally posted by Morlock
@Sleepy: I think THX 1138 was George Lucas' movie. Either way I know it wasn't Spielberg's.

Crowe was reading a poem during his speach and was cut off.
He yelled and cursed at the producer of the show.

I thought the Insider was a pretty bad movie. Crowe was good, but his accent was too fake for me. I think he was best in gladiator and almost as good in L.A confidential.
I am slightly embarrased, yesterday was not a good day for me it seems, sorry Morlock about that. It is still nonesense though ;)

The insider was possibly a little long otherwise it was very entertaining, just behind "All the presidents men" for the best "based on real events" film :)
Now to answer why I like Spielberg:
I must admit that Schindlers list is truly magnificent. The scene with the Red Dress still has an impact on me, however his career has never impressed me that much and AI was particularly horrible.

Sorry i didn't respond earlier, my connection was appaling last night, so this is the first opportunity i got :o

I will continue with my ramblings later :)
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I am more of a Ridley Scott fan, i never found Speilbergs choices of films particularly good. As i understand it he only directed Jurrasic Park so the Production company would let him direct Schindlers List. That was a good choice, but AI? I mean that is a truly horrible film in every way, taking someone elses vision and converting it to your own is never a good idea, just look at every remake ever made, they are all (bar a few) not as good as the original.

To name a few IMO superior directors Ridley Scoot, Robert Altman and Steven Soderbergh.

These directors choose excellent scripts to direct from and this is as much part of being a director as actually directing the movie.
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Originally posted by Morlock:
@Georgi: How could the ballots close on March 19 if the nomintions are anounced Febuary 12?
Because they vote first on the nominations, and then after the nominations have been decided, they vote between those for the winners. My guess is that the votes for nominations closed Dec 31st, but the actual deciding ballot closes on March 19th.
Name one person like this.
The Coen Brothers? ;)
Ok, ok, I suppose with most directors, if you have a long enough career and make enough films, some of them are bound to be worse than the rest. I just don't find most of Spielberg's movies particularly inspirational. Some are fun, some are great (though not Saving Private Ryan, IMO), but most of them are ok.
Your right, AI was realy bad, but keep in mind that this was Kubrick film made by someone else, it can't be that good. Also AI was done for the memory of Kubrick, who developed the movie for years, if Spielberg didn't do it last year, it would'nt have been done.
Which IMO would have been a far better state of affairs.
Of course your right, Jay and Silent Bob strike back should win, but What IYO was the best movie?
The Man Who Wasn't There
I thought the Insider was a pretty bad movie. Crowe was good, but his accent was too fake for me. I think he was best in gladiator and almost as good in L.A confidential.
As far as Crowe's acting goes, I find his portrayal of Jeffrey Wigand far more impressive acting than Maximus, although with regard to the overall movies I enjoy Gladiator and LA Confidential more. I didn't find his accent fake in The Insider, but that could be because I don't know what that accent ought to sound like ;)

Indy IV definitely sounds like a bad idea... but then Harrison Ford does insist on continuing to be an action hero, and I bet the studios want it because it's bound to make big bucks. :rolleyes:

Oh, you're right about THX1138 being George Lucas... I knew something wasn't quite right :D
I totaly agree that Nicole Kidmen should win. Even if Sissy Spacek was better, I realy don't like her.
So much for the best performance winning... :rolleyes: :p
Originally posted by Tamerlane
Just look at the nominations, surely Baz Luhrmen should of gotten one for Moulin Rouge. Or more importantly Nicole Kidman should of gotten a nomination for her role in The Others. She was sensational in that role and IMO way better than her role from Moulin Rouge.
It is kind of a strange thing to fathom, you'd have thought the best directors would have made the best movies... I think Baz Luhrmann should at least have been nominated. The Others? Can you say "melodrama"? :D Ok, so everyone raved about it... but I was unimpressed by it. I preferred her in Moulin Rouge.
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Originally posted by Georgi


It is kind of a strange thing to fathom, you'd have thought the best directors would have made the best movies... I think Baz Luhrmann should at least have been nominated. The Others? Can you say "melodrama"? :D Ok, so everyone raved about it... but I was unimpressed by it. I preferred her in Moulin Rouge.
The best thing Baz Luhrman has done is that narration over a music track the other week :)
Oh, you're right about THX1138 being George Lucas... I knew something wasn't quite right


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Originally posted by Mr Sleep
Okay, i am an ass, now leave me alone
No, dammit! :D :p

Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)?! :D (A few weeks?!?!? :p They played it at my school leaving assembly!!!) That was kinda cool... A friend of mine got the whole album actually, it was variable, some good stuff on it though. Incidentally, it's not actually Baz Luhrmann talking on Sunscreen ;) I personally like his Romeo and Juliet. I haven't seen Strictly Ballroom...
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Originally posted by Georgi


No, dammit! :D :p

Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)?! :D (A few weeks?!?!? :p They played it at my school leaving assembly!!!) That was kinda cool... A friend of mine got the whole album actually, it was variable, some good stuff on it though. Incidentally, it's not actually Baz Luhrmann talking on Sunscreen ;) I personally like his Romeo and Juliet. I haven't seen Strictly Ballroom...
:eek: when will this torment end?!?!! :D

It kind of appealed to me, although it was really creepy.

I don't actually rate his style of directing that highly, it seems to me that he just became because of one movie, i can't recall anything else of his.
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Originally posted by Mr Sleep
I don't actually rate his style of directing that highly, it seems to me that he just became because of one movie, i can't recall anything else of his.
IIRC the only movies he has made are Strictly Ballroom, Romeo and Juliet, and Moulin Rouge, but he worked previously as a theatrical director in Australia.
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Thats pretty much right I think. Strictly Ballroom gave him international acclaim and access to the Hollywood industry.
Romeo+Juliet I never saw, but will eventually see as its totally different from the Shakespearean version. I'm just not into the whole romance genre. And we all know of Moulin Rouge, he seems to prefer to make movies which are completely different from the standards churned out in Hollywood.
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Originally posted by Georgi


IIRC the only movies he has made are Strictly Ballroom, Romeo and Juliet, and Moulin Rouge, but he worked previously as a theatrical director in Australia.
Strictly Ballroom i quite enjoyed, but Romeo and Juliet was quite hackneyed, Moulin Rouge is a musical.....which says enough for me ;)
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Originally posted by Mr Sleep
Strictly Ballroom i quite enjoyed, but Romeo and Juliet was quite hackneyed, Moulin Rouge is a musical.....which says enough for me ;)
But I get the idea that you don't like Romeo and Juliet just because you don't like the Shakespeare play anyway... which is hardly Baz Luhrmann's fault ;) I personally like what he did with it.

Yes, and of all the songs they could pick... Elton John?!? :D Some of the music is interesting though... like the juxtaposition of Lady Marmalade with Smells Like Teen Spirit :eek: Doesn't sound like it should work, but it does :D
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Originally posted by Georgi


But I get the idea that you don't like Romeo and Juliet just because you don't like the Shakespeare play anyway... which is hardly Baz Luhrmann's fault ;) I personally like what he did with it.

Yes, and of all the songs they could pick... Elton John?!? :D Some of the music is interesting though... like the juxtaposition of Lady Marmalade with Smells Like Teen Spirit :eek: Doesn't sound like it should work, but it does :D
Well that is mostly true :D However Romeo and Juliet (baz Luhrman) didn't exactly resemble the play, i enjoyed the film, it just wasn't a great adaptation of Romeo and Juliet, i am backtracking a bit i suppose :o

Elton has made somewhat of a comeback, but i have heard the soundtrack, i wasn't that impressed :o
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Originally posted by Mr Sleep
Well that is mostly true :D However Romeo and Juliet (baz Luhrman) didn't exactly resemble the play, i enjoyed the film, it just wasn't a great adaptation of Romeo and Juliet, i am backtracking a bit i suppose :o

Elton has made somewhat of a comeback, but i have heard the soundtrack, i wasn't that impressed :o
I've seen quite a few versions of Romeo and Juliet, on stage and screen, and as a rule I'm not particularly impressed by "modern" versions... but I thought the way Baz Luhrmann did it was good. *drools at Mercutio, but not when he's wearing a dress* :D

Nah, it was not all that good IMO. Which is what I think of the whole film really, it was ok, but not the amazing thing you'd expect from all the hype. :)
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Originally posted by Georgi


I've seen quite a few versions of Romeo and Juliet, on stage and screen, and as a rule I'm not particularly impressed by "modern" versions... but I thought the way Baz Luhrmann did it was good. *drools at Mercutio, but not when he's wearing a dress* :D

Nah, it was not all that good IMO. Which is what I think of the whole film really, it was ok, but not the amazing thing you'd expect from all the hype. :)
Hamlet was done well by Kenneth Brannagh, but adaptations are pretty poor in general anyway, not just the modern ones ;) So from the three movies he is famous for, how would you rate him as so far?

So you didn't like the fantastic job done by Pink, Mya et al ;) :D
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Originally posted by Mr Sleep
Hamlet was done well by Kenneth Brannagh, but adaptations are pretty poor in general anyway, not just the modern ones ;) So from the three movies he is famous for, how would you rate him as so far?

So you didn't like the fantastic job done by Pink, Mya et al ;) :D
Yes, actually I liked Branagh's musical version of Love's Labours Lost as well... I'm a big fan of his Shakespeare, I think he mostly does a good job, even when they aren't traditional interpretations.

Like I said, haven't seen Strictly Ballroom (though trying to borrow the video from a friend ;) ), so I'd have to wait till I've seen that... He certainly has a very individual style, and it requires the audience to be fairly open-minded :)

LOL :D *ahem* No :D
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Originally posted by Georgi


Yes, actually I liked Branagh's musical version of Love's Labours Lost as well... I'm a big fan of his Shakespeare, I think he mostly does a good job, even when they aren't traditional interpretations.

Like I said, haven't seen Strictly Ballroom (though trying to borrow the video from a friend ;) ), so I'd have to wait till I've seen that... He certainly has a very individual style, and it requires the audience to be fairly open-minded :)

LOL :D *ahem* No :D
He gets the right mix of past and present and he doesn't camp it up too badly :D ;)

Strictly Ballroom was okay, a little obvious, but enjoyable in a rom com kind of way :) ;)

Really, but it was so good :D
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