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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:05 am
by scully1
*jumping up and down in the tower window*
DW! DW!! I'm not going to flame you!!!
*sigh*...this is what I mean. The ideal: loyal, faithful, true monogamy. The reality: Not.
Now folks, please remember, I speak from my own experience. This is what I've been shown in the Viewmaster of my own life...
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:05 am
by KramoR
Originally posted by loner72:
<STRONG>Oooooo-kaaaaayy...</STRONG>
Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing, what we do for recreation.
My definition of love, being hit by a car. Then wondering, "how did that happen?"
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:05 am
by C Elegans
Originally posted by dragon wench:
<STRONG>Sometimes I wonder if the reason we (as in the rhetorical "we") have such a difficult time with relationships is because natural urges are at odds with social expectations. Put another way, is monogamy a social construct? </STRONG>
I have actually written a paper on this subject

There are many data, biological as well as social, that supports human monogamy, and equally many data that support polygamy. This is generally a very touchy subject, but interesting since it concerns a fundament of modern western society.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:10 am
by Waverly
@CE interesting. I've read a few articles, and as I recall, the consensus was 'limited monogamy'. ie A permanent mate with fooling around as the rule. Facts supporing this were behaviour of our closest living relatives, the ability of sperm to hinder the activity of a previous deposit, and data on testicle size and output...
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:10 am
by scully1
Originally posted by KramoR:
<STRONG>My definition of love, being hit by a car. Then wondering, "how did that happen?"</STRONG>
...whilst gazing up at the hospital ceiling, swathed head to foot in bandages, in traction. Constant agony. Lots of medication that only seems to make you feel worse. The doctor comes in with his chart. Looks at you, shakes his head. The prognosis of recovery is not good...
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:12 am
by KramoR
Experences for me, is being............
Mine just end up being hit by a train, then picking up the parts. That was scattered all over the country side.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:13 am
by KramoR
Originally posted by loner72:
<STRONG>...whilst gazing up at the hospital ceiling, swathed head to foot in bandages, in traction. Constant agony. Lots of medication that only seems to make you feel worse. The doctor comes in with his chart. Looks at you, shakes his head. The prognosis of recovery is not good...</STRONG>
And your girlfriend leaving with the Doctor.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:14 am
by scully1
Oh, was that your shinbone I found the other day?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:19 am
by KramoR
Originally posted by loner72:
<STRONG>Oh, was that your shinbone I found the other day?

</STRONG>
Thank you, if you find my knee cap let me know.

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:19 am
by C Elegans
Originally posted by Waverly:
<STRONG>@CE interesting. I've read a few articles, and as I recall, the consensus was 'limited monogamy'. ie A permanent mate with fooling around as the rule. Facts supporing this were behaviour of our closest living relatives, the ability of sperm to hinder the activity of a previous deposit, and data on testicle size and output...</STRONG>
In the literature I read when I wrote this essay a few years ago, the model you describle was one possibility. Also based on the fact than humans originally lived in groups, not in core families. Another possiblity was "serial monogamy". There were actually no data supporting the idea of lifelong monogamy. But it's always difficult to draw any conclusions of studies like this.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:22 am
by scully1
Originally posted by KramoR:
<STRONG>
And your girlfriend leaving with the Doctor.</STRONG>
Or in my case, the boyfriend leaving with the supermodel brain surgeon from the next ward...
You know what? Make that the supermodel candy striper. Because I'm the one who could be the brain surgeon, damnit
[ 07-01-2001: Message edited by: loner72 ]
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:44 am
by dragon wench
by Loner
. Because I'm the one who could be the brain surgeon, damnit
Wielding sharp objects again are we?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 10:53 am
by C Elegans
Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG>You see the thing is, I knew you were joking, and I knew you knew I was joking, and I knew that you knew that I knew you were joking, but I thought I might be wrong, maybe a little, so I tried to explain myself, while still joking, but I did it poorly <snip></STRONG>
We are beginning to sound like a modern relationship drama
<STRONG>I'm on the once-every-six-months schedule!
</STRONG>
I'm sorry to hear that.

But you have been married much longer than I, and you have 2 small children, we have none. Most couples experience a slump when their children are young. If both want to, it's not very difficult to prioritise the couple relationship again when the kids get a bit older and more self sufficient.
<STRONG>NO, and we're not going to talk about it.
</STRONG>
I'm sorry she wasn't married to you
<STRONG>That does it, I'm moving to Sweden. Do you have a sister?
</STRONG>
One of my British friends moved here for just the same reasons. But no, unfortunately I have no sister. Nor clone.
<STRONG>If it helps, I imagine you to be very attractive. Actually I imagine ALL the women on this forum to be extremely good looking. For some odd reason, I also imagine the men to be rather handsome as well. This worries me about myself....

</STRONG>
Hey, didn't you say you looked better than George Clooney?
No, I think all SYMers are good looking except maybe Waverly
[ 07-01-2001: Message edited by: C Elegans ]
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:00 am
by scully1
Originally posted by dragon wench:
<STRONG> Wielding sharp objects again are we?

</STRONG>
MUAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:00 am
by Georgi
Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG>
One of my British friends moved here for just the same reasons. </STRONG>
I didn't think British culture was that prohibitive...

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:05 am
by dragon wench
@Georgi, yes but those stereotypes die hard. As you likely know, Canada has the dual French and British influences. Franco-Canadians are still generally perceived as more passionate than those of Anglo extraction.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:08 am
by scully1
And we of Irish heritage are so repressed. All those bottled-up passions, tsk, it's a wonder we don't explode like a pressure-cooker

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:15 am
by dragon wench
No offence intended here, I have a good chunk of Celtic blood myself.....
but don't the notions of "Irish" and "explosions" sort of go together?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:16 am
by KramoR
Try mixing some German, Dutch and Italian, with the Irish. It's a nice boiling over.

It's fun.
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2001 11:17 am
by C Elegans
Originally posted by Georgi:
<STRONG>I didn't think British culture was that prohibitive...

</STRONG>
Certainly a British individual is not necessarily less liberal than a Swedish individual, but at a group and society level, I think Swedish culture in general is more liberal about sexual issues than British culture. This, I only base at my personal experinces of having lived in Britain for about 1 year, having had British boyfriend and having a lot of British friends. Maybe I'm wrong, could be a biased sample.