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Originally posted by Tamerlane
But would you wade through the book again to find some information probably irrelevant to the plot.

Originally posted by Witch King
So what is this question someone has on the Silmarillion?

Originally posted by Georgi


Josh wants to know why the elves etc went to the Grey Havens.

Originally posted by Tamerlane
The elves were not originally from middle earth.

...on the contrary, the elves originated from middle earth, conceived by Eru alone in the likeness of the Valar. After the awakening of the First Borns (but actually the Dwarves, made by Aule, were the real First borns but were put to sleep again), the Vala, Orome was sent to "fetch" the elves and bring them to Valinor after The Battle of the Powers. On this first trip he brought with him Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe. After seeing the beauty of Valinor and the Light of the Trees they were sent back to convince their people to heed the summons of the Valar.

Thus this great westward movement of Elves called the Great Journey.

Ingwe became the king of the Vanyar (Fair Elves); Finwe became the first Noldorin King (Wise Elves) and the brothers Olwe and Elwe as the two lords of the Teleri (the Last Ones, for they tarried along the way). Elwe never got to Valinor again because of Melian the Maia whom he married. He then became known as Thingol, Lord of Doriath. Thingol and Melian are the parents of Luthien, wife of Beren, it is she who is considered as the most beautiful among all of Iluvatar's Children.

Those who accepted the summons were called the Eldar and went on to join the Great Journey while those who refused were called the Avari.

As for the Grey Havens, this is the town and harbor of Cirdan the Elven Shipwright. Cirdan is a Sindarin Elf who once possessed one of the Rings of Power, specifically the Fire Ring, Narya of which he eventually passed it on to Gandalf. The Grey Havens is located at the head of the Gulf of Lhun, West of Middle-Earth after the sundering of Beleriand.

It is here where the White Ships are stationed and brought the last of the Elves (except Arwen), the Ringbearers and Gimli to Eldamar (Elvenhome) near Aman.

Originally posted by Maharlika
...on the contrary, the elves originated from middle earth, conceived by Eru alone in the likeness of the Valar. After the awakening of the First Borns (but actually the Dwarves, made by Aule, were the real First borns but were put to sleep again), the Vala, Orome was sent to "fetch" the elves and bring them to Valinor after The Battle of the Powers. On this first trip he brought with him Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe. After seeing the beauty of Valinor and the Light of the Trees they were sent back to convince their people to heed the summons of the Valar.

Thus this great westward movement of Elves called the Great Journey.

Originally posted by josh
Oh, I see. So you've got to be either a ringbearer or "un-human" to have what it takes to get there. Does Sam make the trip eventually?

Originally posted by humanflyz
There are too many unanswered questions in the book. We can only speculate.