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I can't think what you mean?!? Said the Vicar to the Actress when she asked if it is the same for vicars as it is for ScotsmenOriginally posted by Vivien:
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The main Elvish aspects you can see in modern Welsh are their love of sexual innuendo's (a watered down version of elvish sensuality) and their continued love of Ale</STRONG>
Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
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Well you have to pander to the little people every once in a whileOriginally posted by dragon wench:
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such touching dedication
I'm not Welsh! (though I always wanted to be) While you may fall outside the norm in stature for most Welshpersons, you can't deny that your nose is large and pendulous like a Proboscus Monkey! (At least that's what Waverly once told me...)Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>Erm how tall are you Gwally my man?
On the defensive tonight are you Gwally, something you are trying to hide from us perhaps? Something you don't want the ladies to find out about.....is it possibly your small stature that has you spooked?Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG>I'm not Welsh! (though I always wanted to be) While you may fall outside the norm in stature for most Welshpersons, you can't deny that your nose is large and pendulous like a Proboscus Monkey! (At least that's what Waverly once told me...)
We mere mortals can't compare to you Welshmen, I guess.Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>On the defensive tonight are you Gwally, something you are trying to hide from us perhaps? Something you don't want the ladies to find out about.....is it possibly your small stature that has you spooked?
Well i can deny it, and i am
I hear you drool alot as babies. Makes it easier to speak the language..... Another true and educated devotee of mythologyOriginally posted by Omar:
<STRONG>ROFLMAO!!!!!
"... from Stonehenge to Elvish Welshmen...the rich English mythology..."
LMAO, why Tolkien ever bothered to write his books when England already has so much
That is my thinking on the subjectOriginally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG>We mere mortals can't compare to you Welshmen, I guess.
Entirely quality over quantity So you have gone from insulting me, then the Welsh, now the language.....I tell you if i spoke the language i would be offended Though really, the only direct insult was when I campared you to a Proboscis Monkey, and I blamed Waverly for that (I blame Waverly for everything).Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>That is my thinking on the subject
Subsequent revitalization efforts have increased that number. Does that sound about right Sleepy?Good point, and a good plan, he is after all the retired anti-christOriginally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG>Though really, the only direct insult was when I campared you to a Proboscis Monkey, and I blamed Waverly for that (I blame Waverly for everything).
On a serious note: As I recall from a linguistics class I took once, there were only 50 or so native speakers of Welsh remaining back in 1950.
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Originally posted by at99:
I have seen some resposes and lets just say some of the arguments and backtracking are ..huh?
I will post this again for some people (like humaflyz)
England is not Britain!! (Americans dont seem to clear on this point VIV)
England is a new country in Britain compartively speaking. Made of of mostly Germanic tribes, even normans had germanic origins
<STRONG>I guess people who have responded to me on this topic DONT read me properly. And after getting this bit of info it proves a point.
It seems as though 'as I suspected' that tolkein did not like the fact that English mythology did not exist. He perceived a weakness in the English culture as other countries in Britain have. Though it is a very good rational culture.
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His heart told him to create what was most important to him: a ‘new mythology’ for England. Tolkien’s deep love for the language, the people, the land, and all things English, would inspire his work. He perceived there was a vacuum in the history of England, that there were no myths the land could call her own. Here he explains his conviction in that famously long letter to Milton Waldman (No. 131):
I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue and soil), not of the quality that I had sought, and found (as an ingredient) in legends of other lands.... I had a mind to make a body of more or less connected legend, .... which I could dedicate simply to: to England; to my country
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Just a small question for intersts sake, how much do you actually know about English heritage and history?Originally posted by at99:
<STRONG>English mythology is not very vast and its history of a country is relatively short . I cant help these facts. People want to believe the culture is complete in every respect.
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Perhaps you might want to consider clarifying your own points.......and the offensive manner in which you convey them.Originally posted by at99:
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As for Yshania's arguments I dont understand you (except for maybe history naive Americans) .
England is a great rational minded country which has done many good things but it does appear English ego's are hurt by its history.
English mythology is not very vast and its history of a country is relatively short . I cant help these facts. People want to believe the culture is complete in every respect.
You seem to have a thing with King Arthur. What is your point that he was English? English culture is rich in mythology? Britain is really England?
Would you like to explain yourself clearly on these points.
Originally posted by dragon wench:
<STRONG>Perhaps you might want to consider clarifying your own points.......and the offensive manner in which you convey them.
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