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Siberys wrote: an economy that doesn't allow you to buy the uber-god weapon simply because you're high level

you make it sound as if money is useless in morrowind...
NOT: you can train as much as you like meaning that if youve got cash you can create the ULTIMATE character and as soon as youre level 20 with strength 100 you can own everything. you can find daedric stuff at level 1 in morrowind and some quest are so badly created that you can NEVER know where you have to be! as a noob, you always get blasted by some daedroth or rogue mage in 5 secs. do you really think morrowind is better?? the graphics are so very old. i had a nord of level 20 on morrowind who was rich and i had ebony armour daedric gauntlets(wraithguard counts as daedric, right?) i had daedric greaves, boots, ebony pauldrons and ebony helmet. i enchanted them all with fortify strength(up to 36 each!!!!) needless to say, nothing could stop the guy. dagoth ur died in 2 strikes. morrowind doesnt need smart gameplay because theres an 'always use best attack' button on it and block is automatic. in oblivion, blocking becomes a real reflex and fighting becomes an art. true, the quests are easy(due to the markers), but id keep the compass, trust me! and fast travelling is also very nice. also: levitation??? i makes you immortal! get a levitation enchament on something and grab a bow. NOTHING can stop you. nowadays id give morrowind a 6.5 and oblivion a 9.5.

EriXx wrote:One example is with the spellcasting, in oblivion you just press "C" to cast a spell, in morrowind you have to sheath your weapon and press "R" and then click to cast a spell, a little complicated in my opinion since that it really should be a little bit skillfull fighting and tactics when you fight

That paragraph sums up how dumbed down Oblivion is, the system in Morrowind is far more 'realistic', how the heck are you supposed to make the necessary gestures, get at necessary ingredients etc, and keep your weapon ready at the same time? It's bad enough that you can change your armour in mid combat, some of the gross simplification in Oblivion is totally immersion breaking IMO.

PS er, sorry got ranting and forgot the reason I posted.

If your only going to play one of the games, play Morrowind, if your going to play both then I'd say play Oblivion first, that way you might not feel let down so much.

Oblivion is a decent game, I have played it a few times now, but it was a major disappointment after Morrowind. The only 'improvement' was the graphics, big deal, it's the gameplay that should matter. It's a bit like ones choice in partner, would you prefer a dumb but pretty bimbo, or someone intelligent? I'll take the latter every time.

vickstick wrote: morrowind doesnt need smart gameplay because theres an 'always use best attack' button on it and block is automatic. in oblivion, blocking becomes a real reflex and fighting becomes an art. true, the quests are easy(due to the markers), but id keep the compass, trust me! and fast travelling is also very nice. also: levitation??? i makes you immortal! get a levitation enchament on something and grab a bow. NOTHING can stop you. nowadays id give morrowind a 6.5 and oblivion a 9.5.

No body says you have to use the "best attack" option, and while maybe I can agree that the block and fighting system isn't that great in Morrowind, the combat in Oblivion isn't that great too. I soon found that there is a simple method to fighting in elders 4: block, hit 2 times, block again... Apperantly you like the compas because it points you right to the killing. You propably just power-play the game, but then again I don't know, you tell me. The compas takes out the fun of searching for a cavern in a wasteland, and the joy of finding that cavern.

I personally don't mind the graphics, thanks to that engine in Morrowind, I believed that those buildings stoot there for many years, that the culture was ancient and it gave the game a more darkened atmosphere. While in Oblivion, I always couldn't believe that the big tower was ancient, it was really beautiful to look at, yeah, but at what price. For example, the oblivionworld didn't scare one bit, they tried but failed. And levetation... Sure it made you powerfull, but you have to see it as a roleplaying element. See it as a sign of power that wizards of house telvanni use to go in there great houses where warriors or stealthy thieves won't be able to get.

You say that being blasted by a mage or a daetroth in the first 5 sec of the game is something bad. IMO it's great. I feared those ruins for a long time, I developed tactics to kill those creatures, and not just going in front of one and turning "best attack" on and hoping you'll survive. Those bad-ass creatures gave me something I hadn't seen for a long time, somekind of fear. It gives you a goal, killing those killer-creatures and showing them who the man is (or woman). In oblivion there is nothing like that. I hated that I
couldn't find any better weapons than my enemies and that they all leveled with me, so I never really felt that I was getting stronger.
Maybe you don't like Morrowind as much as Oblivion because it is IMO harder to get into (meaning Morrowind). But that is one of the reasons I lov the game so much. You have to try the game to get it, and after a while, when you finally understand the greatnis of it, you'll love it. And with that, you gain an experience with the game, wich to me is also very important.

vickstick wrote: get a levitation enchament on something and grab a bow. NOTHING can stop you.

As you apparaantly haven't heard of Cliff Racers, I wonder if you've actually played the game.

At least in Morrowind you can turn off 'use best attack', (which only means incidentally that you thrust with a piercing weapon, slash with an axe etc.) in Oblivion it's always on, like it or not.

Blocking is automatic in Morrowind IF the attack is coming from left of centre, and IF you have the necassary skill, unlike Oblivion where any dork with no skill can block until the cows come home.

vickstick wrote:i had ebony armour daedric gauntlets(wraithguard counts as daedric, right?) i had daedric greaves, boots, ebony pauldrons and ebony helmet. i enchanted them all with fortify strength(up to 36 each!!

That is 100% wrong, there's no way you can enchant all those items even close to 36

vickstick wrote:as a noob, you always get blasted by some daedroth or rogue mage in 5 secs.

Oh yeah, where? Don't you realise that anyone who's actually played Morrowind is aware that you are writing non-sense?

Umm, not meaning to try and be like a counselor or anything but this does seem now like people are just getting mad at each other. I know I'm no moderator but I would hate to see this entire thread get deleted as I enjoy reading it and such.

Arok2092 wrote:Umm, not meaning to try and be like a counselor or anything but this does seem now like people are just getting mad at each other. I know I'm no moderator but I would hate to see this entire thread get deleted as I enjoy reading it and such.

Fair comment, I've moderated my post somewhat. I just got really annoyed with the gross inaccuracies in vickstick's post.

ive heard enough of cliff racers. those pests are one of the reasons id rate oblivion so lowly. theyre as weak as rats and theyre everywhere. they make an annoying sound.
also, if youve got a constant effect levitate on yourself, that means youve killed a golden saint or something stronger. how do cliffracers own such a character then??

in oblivion, there is only 1 attack! your answer makes no sense! the only other attacks are power attacks.

about the blocking: imagine a real warrior, unskilled in combat. such a person would litteraly HIDE under his shield. + in oblivion, blocking damages your health too, which is a lot more realistic.

the + 36 strength might be exagerated but my strength came close to 250. needless to say, the game was dead easy.

and your last argument about the rogue mages and daedroth and the like doesnt even make sense! go to a daedric shrine with a level 1 guy. i invite you!

about the yelling and cursing at each other,
sorry if it seems that way, ive got quite a temper

galraen, just admit, from level 20 on, nothing can stop any character in morrowind(unlike oblivion)

I'm will try to stop nagging after this post, but I just have to say it.
Vickstick, you say that when you go to a deadric shrine at level one you will die.
Hmmm DUH!! You aren't supposed to go to the hardest areas in the game at level 1 and expect to live. Wouldn't that be dissapointing if you would survive that? Yeah sure, in Oblivion you can start killing everything at level 1, because everybody is as strong as you. Hell, you can even finish the entire game with a level that doesn't go beyond 4, which I did by the way.

You say that in Oblivion there is only 1 attack, followed by '"your answer makes no sense". Please explain, do you like it that there is only one attack? Or do you mean Morrowind? Because in your first sentence you say you would rate Oblivion poorly, so maybe it's a mistake. Anyway, if you do mean Morrowind, turn off the best attack option and you'll see that you have a lot more attacks. If you mean Oblivion, I do think that there are also more than one attackmoves.

I do think the blocking is a bit stupid in Oblivion. Yeah sure, MAYBE it's more realistic, but then again, why put any skill in blocking if you can use it well automaticly without any training. Sure you get damage, but a lot less.

Also you say, and I quote: "Imagine a real warrior, unskilled in combat. such a person would litteraly HIDE under his shield. + in oblivion, blocking damages your health too, which is a lot more realistic."

A real warrior, uhu, but unskilled in combat. I thought warriors were skilled in combat. And why would this warrior use his shield if he can't use it. BTW, if a sword clashes onto my shield, the sword is stopped, it doesn't hurt, it puts me out of ballance.

vickstick wrote:galraen, just admit, from level 20 on, nothing can stop any character in morrowind(unlike oblivion)

True, once you reach level 20 in Morrowind you are pretty powerful relevant to most of the creatures you meet, unlike Oblivion where that's true from level one, thanks to the pathetic leveling system. Fortunately both games have third party mods that can overcome those flaws.

n oblivion, there is only 1 attack! your answer makes no sense! the only other attacks are power attacks.

Exactly, in Oblivion it's so dumbed down there's only two weapons, and it only has 'best attack'. Unfortunately I haven't found a mod to overcome those flaws yet. In Morrowind there are three different types of attack, chop, slash and thrust. Choosing 'best attack' simply means that you use the one appropriate for the weapon your wielding, e.g. Chop for Axe, Thrust for Spear. You're trying to make out that it's some sort of power tool rather though.

about the blocking: imagine a real warrior, unskilled in combat. such a person would litteraly HIDE under his shield. + in oblivion, blocking damages your health too, which is a lot more realistic.

A real warrior, unskilled in combat is a self contradiction, a real warrior has some skill in combat, if someones so hopeless in combat that they have to hide under their shield they'd never leave town, but that's bye the bye. Blocking doesn't damage your health in Oblivion, your opponents attack does, blocking simply absorbs some of the damage. In Morrowind blocking doesn't work very often, unlike Oblivion where it works all the time, but when it does work you take no damage. I actually prefer the Oblivion model in this regard, but to say that it's automatic in Morrowind implies that it works all the time and gives the character an advantage, whereas the truth is that blocking helps the PC much more in Oblivion than in Morrowind.


I can understand you not liking Morrowind Vickstick but I can't for the life of me understand trying to say an inferior game like Oblivion, which can easily be finished before reaching fifth level is so much better, and trying to put people off playing it.

the + 36 strength might be exaggerated but my strength came close to 250. needless to say, the game was dead easy.

Your exaggeration of the downsides of Morrowind in order to make it seem terrible are puzzling. You say you fortified your strength to 250, then bitch about the fact that you did it! Weird. Did you fortify your Chameleon to 100 in Oblivion? If so you know that kills the game faster than 500 strength, I'm amazed your not using that as a reason for slagging off Oblivion even more.

Morrowind is far from perfect, without the third party mods it's not close to being the best game ever written, but that's even more true of Oblivion.

and your last argument about the rogue mages and daedroth and the like doesnt even make sense! go to a daedric shrine with a level 1 guy. i invite you!

So again, where's the nearest Shrine that a Noob will meet a Daedroth? Noob implies a first or second level character to me, and such a character would have to search really hard to find a shrine with a Daedroth in it. However Adamasartus is right outside Seyda Neen, and there's a weak mage in there, weak, but will probably fry most first level characters real quick. So what? Adventuring is a dangerous existence, if it wasn't why would we bother playing any RPG? One of the problems with Oblivion is that everything you meet (with the exception of Umbra I guess) is set according to your level, the challenge, if it can be called that, is always the same; frustrating until you get the hang of the leveling system, but dead easy once you've got it sussed.

Morrowind does have fualts, no question, there ARE too many good items lying around for the taking; once you've played the game a time or two you can equip yourself to the hilt very quickly. Master Alchemy sets lying around for you to pick up at the start of the game, several filled soul gems sitting on a desk for you to take etc., etc.. But, it's like drugs man, 'Just say NO',

Both games are well playable with mods, the purpose of this thread was to find out if playing Morrowind after playing Oblivion was worth it. The graphics aren't too shabby in Morrowind, even without mods, not as pretty as Oblivion, but what matters most prettyness or gameplay?

about the yelling and cursing at each other,
sorry if it seems that way, ive got quite a temper

Arok2092's post was aimed at me actually, I've got a temper too, and my previous post was too inflammable I guess.

well, i guess we are both right and wrong in a lot of cases, but this thread is actually meant to say our opinions about these games, so bickering about what's better has no point, its just 2 different opinions. lets not hate each other for liking the other game more:laugh:
EVERY game has huge flaws(unfortunately, i guess)

btw i dont use mods cuz im an xboxer

vickstick wrote:well, i guess we are both right and wrong in a lot of cases,

Fact check beforehand, because however good your intentions, your comments about Morrowind were filled with errors. If you put up information that is wrong, it will be corrected by people here who know the game better, and want to make sure accurate information is disseminated. That's the way GameBanshee has always operated.

btw i dont use mods cuz im an xboxer

It's up to you, but consider getting the PC version. It's possible to run 300+ mods at one time, enriching Morrowind's gameplay enormously: new quest systems, new guilds, houses for sale, cities, shops, weapons, NPC classes, etc. Bethsoft took a few of the mod ideas to add to Oblivion, but the bulk of them were never carried over--and quite a few are exceptionally good. And as you enjoy Oblivion, there are quite a few mods for that game, too, though its fair to note that some of the things done in the modding process by Bethsoft have discouraged a number of modders. Memory requirements being higher, too, have led some people back to Morrowind, because you can run more mods on that game than on Oblivion for the same RAM. Still, as you greatly enjoy Oblivion, the extra mods add a lot to the flavor.

True, once you reach level 20 in Morrowind you are pretty powerful relevant to most of the creatures you meet, unlike Oblivion where that's true from level one, thanks to the pathetic leveling system. Fortunately both games have third party mods that can overcome those flaws.

I hope you know that you can actually change the difficulty in Oblivion unlike in morrowind.

Any player new to the Elder Scrolls series should play oblivion first if they are looking for more nooby-player friendly game play.

Salidin54 wrote:I hope you know that you can actually change the difficulty in Oblivion unlike in morrowind.

You can change the difficulty level in Morrowind too.

"Mortal Kombat"?!

Bickering.....this thread?...

BlueSky wrote:Bickering.....this thread?...

Of course, impossible. Everyone agrees that X is a better game than Y. Or maybe it's Y that's a better game than X? Of course convincing others matters!

But where RAM is concerned, there's no question. It simply takes a lot less of it to run earlier titles like Morrowind successfully than later ones that employ higher end graphical detail, like Oblivion. In fact, Oblivion is often used by techies to test computer systems for graphical speed.

fable wrote:In fact, Oblivion is often used by techies to test computer systems for graphical speed.

That's our excuse, and we're sticking to it, no way we were playing games on company time, honest!

galraen wrote:That's our excuse, and we're sticking to it, no way we were playing games on company time, honest!

I have seen some detailed video card analysis on the Web that used an "Oblivion test" for comparison. I'm assuming that, based on your comments, they gave it a conscientious and thorough going over.

Hello, Forum Folks!

#00: Whew! I'm relieved and impressed in a positive way, that this thread didn't turn into a discourse or debate about which one of you mentioned in the song lyrics resembles which member(s) of "The View" panel the most, or whose politics that you relate to the most, or which one you want to have sex with the most, or anything like that!

#01: Also, that this didn't become a forum "Fight Club" with you in the list touting who has the better fight moves! :mischief:

#02: At least no one was encouraging another with written shouts of, "Finish him!" or "Finish her!"

#03: Also, that no one suggested that I should've replaced "Mortal" with "Morrowind"!

To paraphrase someone in John Wayne's "The Alamo", "I'm proud that they were strong forum members and moderators who stood up for their cause and lived or died accordingly."

No actual forum members or moderators were harmed during the production of this thread. All activity was observed by the Powers That Be to assure than no harm would come to them. PTB Guild #0001.

galraen wrote:That's our excuse, and we're sticking to it, no way we were playing games on company time, honest!

and no that wasn't me that came in on a weekend late night and had a LAN party on 18 computers...oh noooo.......:laugh: