Silver Dragon Scale Armour

Sellsword · Post by **Sellsword** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 5:22 am

If some good aligned characters found some Silver Dragon Scale armour I'd say theyed be willing to wear it and if good-aligned characters have already killed a Silver Dragon then surely they have no compunction about taking its scales? Justifying a reputation loss for killing a dragon (even a good dragon) is difficult. After all your reputation is largely about how other humanoids see you and think of you; I don't think many of them will object to their being one less dragon in the world! I'm not really sure that a distinction can be made...

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violence · Post by **violence** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 12:44 pm

From a ROLEPLAYING perspective, no good aligned character would kill a silver dragon or wear silver scale armor. Now, if you have a "good" aligned characteer and you want to go around doing evil things, no one can (or wants to ) stop you. I'm just saying that there is no role-playing justification for killing Adalon or wearing her armor.

"what if the dragon was dying of old age and offered her scales to be used as armor?" That would be like wearing human flesh +5 because some senile old man agreed to give up his skin. Still evil in essence.

sp8472 · Post by **sp8472** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:29 pm

Are you guys sure that there is no silver armour? I vaguely remember there being one...I'll have to try it out again, but I killed the silver dragon with quivering palm. The blood was there, but I don't remember about the scales. I thought there was...I'll try again sometime and let you guys know as soon as possible.

KensaiRyu · Post by **KensaiRyu** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:47 pm

No silver dragon armour in the game. A while back I was doing some work on a Silver Dragon NPC (never got it finished due to problems with the dialog, Cat from Tean bg was supposed to look at the dialogue but I never heard back about it) and I opened every silver dragon related file in the game.

MegaToerist · Post by **MegaToerist** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 12:26 am

Let me explain what I meant with a silver dragon scale armour as a gift:

Take as an example the Dragonlance D&D setting, during the War of the Lance: there were quite a few dragon riders, riding off to face the evil dragons and their armies of Draconians/Goblins/... It's not unusual for a dragon and it's rider to develop a very special bond (which can even result into something romantic, such as with Huma and Silvara(?) or Gilthanas). If the dragon were to die from its wounds, it would not be unlikely for the dragon to "donate" some scales to the rider, to fashion them into a suit of armor or a shield, and further serve the cause of good. The armor would be a symbol of goodness and righteousness, adnd it would be an honor to wear such a suit.
To distinguish between "gifted" and "stolen" suits, it's not unlikely that the scales, still embued with the dragon's power, would be shiny and bright when worn by a deserving person, and to become dull when worn by an evil character. The shining of the armor would not influence the powers of the armor in any way, but only point out that the spirit of the dragon is not too pleased with the present condition of the armor.

This is my argumentation that there could be good-aligned characters wearing an armor fashioned out of the scales of a good dragon, although they would be very limited in number.

However, in BG, killing a Good Dragon would certainly result in a change of alignment (killing a symbol of justice is not something that everybody would do) and a loss of reputation...

Just my point of view...
TC, Geert

Sellsword · Post by **Sellsword** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:52 am

So KensaiRyu; you planning to make the silver dragon scale armour patch?

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Craig · Post by **Craig** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 12:40 pm

How about a shield?instead

KensaiRyu · Post by **KensaiRyu** » Sun Jun 24, 2001 5:11 am

Well I was gonna make the armor...But what does everyone think about a Silver Dragon Scale shield instead? Craig has a point there are not many good shields in the game (SOA dont know about TOB havent beat it yet).

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Sun Jun 24, 2001 6:00 am

What about a choice? Armour uses more scales than a shield so if you choose a shield maybe you get bracers too?

KensaiRyu · Post by **KensaiRyu** » Sun Jun 24, 2001 4:14 pm

Ok that sounds like a good idea...A choice between gauntlets and shield or scale mail.. What should the stats for the gauntlet and shield be?

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Sun Jun 24, 2001 9:39 pm

I have no idea for the stats. Reflect 50% of level 4 or lower spells due to the smaller areas? or should it just knock them away?

MegaToerist · Post by **MegaToerist** » Sun Jun 24, 2001 11:53 pm

I'd just deflect the spells, not reflect them...

KensaiRyu · Post by **KensaiRyu** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 1:42 am

So how about this for a choice:

Silver Dragon Scale Shield

STATISTICS:

Equipped Abilities: +5% Magic Resistance
+30% Electrical Resistance
25% chance to absorb (like a spell trap) level 4 and below spells.
33% chance of any harmful thing affecting mobility not having effect (IE Slow, Paralyze, Web, Grease, Stun, etc)
AC +4

Not Usable by:
Mage
Thief
Druid

And

Silver Dragon Scale Gauntlets:

STATISTICS:

Equipped Abilities: +5% Magic Resistance
+30% Electrical Resistance
AC +1

Not Usable by:
Mage
Druid

OR

Silver Dragon Scale Mail

STATISTICS:

Equipped Abilities: +20% Magic Resistance
+60% Electrical Resistance
Immune to Paralyzation (free action)
50% chance to absorb level 4 (like a spell trap) and below spells
AC base set to -1

Not Usable by:
Mage
Thief
Druid

Does this seem too strong? What about who can wear the armor? Should thieves be able to? Any other restrictrions ie Evil only?

Also maybe they will need to gather one more thing to complete the armor so its hard earned...Or is fighting a silver hard enough for you?

I could add another fight with several high level mages (Sorcerors) and (Kensai) fighters to get the last needed component to complete the armor (Maybe a magic scroll that a certain wizard has that contains the directions for enchanting Silver Scale.).Cromwell could say he needs this magic scroll to complete the armor and it was last seen at X location. What do you think?

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 3:28 am

What about a reputation loss on wearing of the scales? The stats are good but restricting to evil only thats harsh. What about wearing the red scales? (I know he was evil but thats not the point)

MegaToerist · Post by **MegaToerist** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 4:37 am

Perhaps a (small) reputation loss upon completing the armor/shield+bracers. And how about a reaction penalty when speaking to good-aligned persons (such as a higher price when buying from "good" merchants)?

TC, Geert

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 5:09 am

Yeah that'd be a good idea after all if a Paladin checked evil etc it would find the wearer

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 11:33 am

Or(sorry but it overpowered IMO)
Electric resist 50%
Free action
-1 AC

Sheild
Reflect electric attacks
Improved haste

Guantlets
3d8 damage and knock back

No rep lose bad reaction cos, and i quote

Take as an example the Dragonlance D&D setting, during the War of the Lance: there were quite a few dragon riders, riding off to face the evil dragons and their armies of Draconians/Goblins/... It's not unusual for a dragon and it's rider to develop a very special bond (which can even result into something romantic, such as with Huma and Silvara(?) or Gilthanas). If the dragon were to die from its wounds, it would not be unlikely for the dragon to "donate" some scales to the rider, to fashion them into a suit of armor or a shield, and further serve the cause of good. The armor would be a symbol of goodness and righteousness, adnd it would be an honor to wear such a suit.
To distinguish between "gifted" and "stolen" suits, it's not unlikely that the scales, still embued with the dragon's power, would be shiny and bright when worn by a deserving person, and to become dull when worn by an evil character. The shining of the armor would not influence the powers of the armor in any way, but only point out that the spirit of the dragon is not too pleased with the present condition of the armor

See?

MegaToerist · Post by **MegaToerist** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 1:21 pm

My argument in the quoted post was about D&D in general, not SoA/ToB in specific. Let me clarify my points:

1) In SoA/ToB, there are no known suits of silver dragon scale. Such a suit appearing out of nowhere, when there has been no epic event that included dragons (such an event would have been world-altering, just look at Dragonlance), is quite suspicious. There are also no tales that mention this suit of armor
2) most people do not like that their symbol of goodness gets butchered up
3) rumor tends to spread rather quickly
4) the suit is dull grey, because it was "taken from", not "given by" a dragon.
5) the only possible source of silver dragon scales is Andalon

I think that no good-aligned character could just kill a silver dragon, so this could mean an alignment change upon attacking Andalon. (this should have been implemented in SoA IMO)
The fact that the armor appears out of nowhere makes most people familiar with tales think (this includes barkeepers, as it's at their place that Bards recite their tales; it's logical to assume they have a decent knowlegde of the tales). Since the armor is not shining silver, it won't take long to recognize the suit as "evil" work. this would result in the negative reaction modifier. And, since rumors spreads, other people will hear about it too...

So I'd go with a reputation loss and a reaction penalty

TC, Geert