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Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 10:11 am
by Ned Flanders
See you DW and MCBane, I gotta go. Have a good time at the cubs McBane. I didn't make it to wrigley this year for the first time in several years (I usually catch one or two games there a year) Drink an old style for me. I'm willing to bet you'll be paying homage to the house of heileman today.

Oh yeah, and to stay on topic, hobbits are reefheads.

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 10:13 am
by Ned Flanders
Ok, one more post. In reply to you DW, my mother was very conservative and my father and his siblings were definitely out of hand. After 32 years of marriage though, my mother has relaxed about a great many things.

see you tomorrow.

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:28 pm
by Tybaltus
Back on *cough* topic *cough*

Ok. Now. The hobbit-smoking bit. The books were based basically from the hobbits' point of view. Why do you think there Were dragons and magic and dark evil shadows and such??!


'cause they were all stoned completely out of their minds. plus - drugs stunt your growth. Remove the drugs, and you get a bad World War II story. :D

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 5:55 pm
by Chanak
@Ty:

It's interesting - Tolkien started the basis of Middle Earth while in the trenches of WWI, where he was a British officer. Did you see that National Geographic (was it them? I can't remember...*cough* *cough* ;) ) video about Middle Earth? It was quite interesting, and it illustrated some parallels between his books and the World Wars.

Dwarves were symbolic of excess ale intake...thus they were stocky and rather surly. Elves were the hallucinogenic drug users, and so spent time meditating and making pools you could stare into...and usually spent their time on another wavelength.

Aragorn and the Dunedain were the perfect example of balance...Aragorn could hang out at Rivendell and stare into pools with the elves, or he could sit in the Inn at Bree and puff on some *pipe weed* with Hobbits. :D

But the hobbits cut the cake - perhaps a certain *special* kind of cake, like a brownie cake ;) - and Gandalf obviously preferred the Hobbit pipeweed and munchies to the Elvish activities of strange leaves and pool-staring. Curiously absent was the love of ale, which Gimli alone must have had in the Fellowship. I guess Tolkien wasn't into Ale. :D

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2002 5:58 pm
by RandomThug
Think about it

Think his books have war relations? The big EVIL IN THE EAST..... the hobbits obviusly represented the irish dwarves scottish etc etc... I mean the books are so great because they are obvius translations of a true story.. (kinda, time to go home from work(

thug OUT

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 12:11 am
by Lintelyg
Or could it just be that Tolkien himself was smoking up? And that all the drug activities or the hobbits, the alcohol intake of the dwarves, and the wierdness of the elves is just a way of expressing the different aspects of what he was, or maybe how he percieved the different types of humans to be???

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 10:43 am
by fable
Originally posted by Chanak
It's interesting - Tolkien started the basis of Middle Earth while in the trenches of WWI, where he was a British officer.


I think the most obvious reaction by Tolkien was the one acknowledged by all his friends and associates: that he completely rejected modern times; and I'm sure WWI, with its shocking brutality, widespread use of chemical warface and complete senselessness, only encouraged him in that direction. I'd go further than his friends, though: Tolkien rejected the realworld, not just modern times. Hell, he never even used a typewriter. he wrote everything in longhand; finished a draft; then went back and started again.

Speaking to the main question, we all know that halflings get high. The only question is whether they're better as aerial ammunition than gnomes or dwarves, and I think dwarves really edge 'em out.