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Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2002 8:52 am
by HighLordDave
Re: Fable
Originally posted by RandomThug
I too am horribly curios about finding out, you first though.
Yeah, fable, after you die, I'm going to contact you through my Ouija board and you let me know how the judgement thing works. If it's an "anything goes" afterlife, I'll be bummed out about being a good person here on Earth. If there's hell to pay for each small transgression check up and see if I can buy my way out of sin.

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:32 pm
by Eerhardt
Originally posted by fable
Are we to conclude that some god or goddess or pantheon waits for each soul, sees if they joined up to the right religion; and then hear, "You were a dutiful son, raised your children with love, made difficult decisions to best of your knowledge; but alas chose the wrong religion, and so, will go to eternal torment"...?

Or should we conclude that joining the right religion isn't the core guiding fact defining one's placement after death (although several religions insist it is), but how one lived one's life? I don't see why or how people can be judged by lives spent in a world where there many holy books and holy men and women preaching contradictory solutions to the same problems, and where daily dilemnas of life prompt internal voices that again pull in different directions. Nor do I find the holy books in question without internal inconsistencies, sometimes on a massive scale in so far as guiding conduct is offered to humanity, both by example and direction.
I'll just give my POV on judgement for adhering to the "right religion" first:
Originally posted by Eerhardt
…people raised by parents who don't believe in God can not be punished by God for not believing in Him/Her. I don't even think God will punish you for willfully rejecting to believe in Him/Her when you try to live your life in spirit of his will. Of course, this is where opinions will differ, even within Christianity itself (e.g. fundamentalists may believe you go to Hell for not believing in God)
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Of course, as Fable already indicated, what is living your life in "spirit of God's will", when so many religions claim different solutions? I think some values are preached by all religions and that you should at least try and live by these. One of these, I believe, is "do not onto others, that you would not have others do onto you". I know it sounds cliché, but aren't a lot of things we hold true? I think a lot of the Ten Commandments make sense, even out of the religious context.

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2002 2:51 am
by Littiz
"do not onto others, that you would not have others do onto you"


Indeed, this should be ENOUGH of a rule.
To this one I agree firmly. (provided that each one has always
the right to fight abuses, though)