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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:00 pm
by VoodooDali
Yeah, that's a great song. The Battle of New Orleans by Johnny Horton.
The actual history of the battle from MSN Encarta:
The Battle of New Orleans of the War of 1812 was fought on January 8, 1815, between about 6500 American troops, mostly irregulars, under the command of the American general Andrew Jackson and a British force of about 8700, commanded by the British general Sir Edward Pakenham.
The British planned to attack New Orleans and thereby gain access to the entire Mississippi Valley. The entrance of British troops into the Gulf of Mexico in the autumn of 1814 prompted Jackson's arrival at New Orleans on December 1, 1814. Later that month a fleet of 50 British vessels made a surprise landing at Lake Borgne, east of New Orleans, after which some 2000 British troops walked across the swamps to the banks of the Mississippi just below New Orleans. Jackson hastily fortified the area. After a number of skirmishes during late December and early January, Jackson, with the valuable aid of the French pirate Jean Laffite, won the decisive battle in less than a half hour on January 8. Jackson's improvised fortifications proved highly effective, and the American force suffered only 71 casualties while inflicting more than 2000; Pakenham was one of the 289 British dead. The overwhelming defeat caused the British to abandon further combat projects, and they soon embarked for England. The battle had no effect on the war. Peace terms had already been agreed on in the Treaty of Ghent, signed on December 24, 1814; at the time of the battle, however, the treaty had not yet been ratified by the U.S. Senate.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:38 pm
by fable
I still think we should have carried the war over into Canada, and made all those Canucks citizens of New Hampshire. Would have served them right, too!
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:47 pm
by Aragorn Returns
you guys all hear about the canadians who died from the U.S. fighter? that's too bad (too bad it wasn't the brits i mean!)
(it's a joke, don't hurt me) (and i'm serious about it being too bad in general)
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:54 pm
by fable
@Aragorn, that's tasteless. I think you owe an apology, a sincere one, to the SYM forum, and especially to its Canadian and British members.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:59 pm
by Aragorn Returns
i'm sorry, i realize it was a tragedy and i'm sorry i joked about it. i'm also sorry to all the british members of the forum for making such a cruel remark.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:06 pm
by Weasel
Later that month a fleet of 50 British vessels made a surprise landing at Lake Borgne, east of New Orleans, after which some 2000 British troops walked across the swamps to the banks of the Mississippi just below New Orleans.
That is dedication to duty there. The swamps of Lousiana are not a nice place to be. Rats big as dogs live down there.

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:54 pm
by HighLordDave
Originally posted by Weasel
The swamps of Lousiana are not a nice place to be. Rats big as dogs live down there
But if you show them your boobs, they'll give you a string of beads.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 7:58 pm
by Weasel
Originally posted by HighLordDave
But if you show them your boobs, they'll give you a string of beads.
LMFAO
As a disclaimer, I wasn't meaning the women in Lousiana where rats.

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:01 pm
by fable
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:46 pm
by Weasel
I worked in the Plaquemines for a while.

Nothing but swamp, rats, ducks, deer the size of small dogs and the very rare gator. The town I went out from was called The End of the World, (Can anyone guess the real name).
From my experience, the first time you meet a real Cajun, you will most likely not understand a single word. IMHO I would call it speed up English. After being out for three weeks on a boat in the middle of the swamp with them, I hardly noticed the difference. Contrary to the way movies make them out to be, they are some of the nices people I have ever meet.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:24 pm
by VoodooDali
Originally posted by fable
You just saved yourself from a Cajun lynching, I suspect.
Ever been down that way, @Weasel? Those bayous are quite real and extremely nasty. The Cajuns are an amazing culture.
I've heard tell ("heard tell" I picked up from my mother-in-law, whose speech patterns resemble the writings of Mark Twain--regionalisms hang around a long time in the Midwest) that the Cajuns were researched by French lexicographers because of their French archaisms, but I wonder if this isn't simply an urban legend.
I don't know if that's urban legend or not. My significant other is half Arcadian--family is all from New Brunswick. The cajuns are all arcadians. They were exiled there during the war between the British and the French over the maritimes. A lot of other arcadians were sent back to France, or to New England. And a lot went to Quebec and became assimilated there. So, I would imagine that cajun French is an interesting dialect with some old phrases left over from the 18th c. The French have some great linguistic projects--they had one whose goal was to record all the languages that were dying out in the world. I forget the name of the program.
But, we better not get started on the French.
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:40 pm
by Gwalchmai
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 9:44 pm
by Gwalchmai
Oh, wait. You said:
Originally posted by VoodooDali
But, we better not get started on the French. (emphasis added)
Oops.

Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 10:35 pm
by fable
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:19 pm
by Ode to a Grasshopper
I've had two French exchange students stay with me, each for a month, and they were some of the nicest people you could meet. Likewise, I've been on holiday backpacking through France and Italy twice and in my experience the french were as nice as could be. The italians, on the other hand...were not nice. As long as you try (and in my case fail miserably) to speak French then the people of france think you're OK.
French is still a pain of a language to learn, though.
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:12 am
by Jace
I don't know much about US history, but I remember reading a 10 best things about ---------(insert nationality here). The entry for Canada was
1. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
2. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
3. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
4. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
5. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
6. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
7. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
8. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
9. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
10. Only country to successfully invade the US and burn it's capital to the ground.
Go Canuk's
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:43 am
by Yshania
@Gwally - The Sun is a comic, with a recommended reading age of 6 years old.

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:49 am
by HighLordDave
@Jace:
We're also the only country in the world that would take a Canadian actor with the stature of say, William Shatner, and turn him into a pop icon. What's the world coming to?
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 7:03 am
by fable
Originally posted by HighLordDave
@Jace:
We're also the only country in the world that would take a Canadian actor with the stature of say, William Shatner, and turn him into a pop icon. What's the world coming to?
I think the phrases "William Shatner" and "actor" are mutually exclusive.

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 7:13 am
by HighLordDave
fable . . . you . . . have . . . got . . . to be . . . kidding . . . me. Shatner . . . is a . . . god! He . . . even . . . has . . . his own . . .
church.