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Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:59 am
by KidD01
Originally posted by crazymancometh
ROTK is A Classic among Classic of video games From Liu Bei alway down to Dong Ren <think hes like bigheaded and sucky in everything> the characters grow on you...destiny of an emperor also deals with the the three kindoms on regulkar nes...this is not koei but is a classic play it if you can...Just Dont Do Like Weasel And get Stick in same place for 5 years lol...think capcom made the game am almost sure...Weasel can verify it......But this is best topic Ive seen here....Long Live Sun Ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee And Zhou Yu
Are you trying to tell us there's another RTK games not made by Koei ? I know that there's also an "Arcade Fighting game" of RTK, What kind of game R u refering to, pls be more specific
@BGfan : Thanks for the pic, makes me want to visit China someday
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 6:33 am
by Baldursgate Fan
Just for you, kid01!
Originally posted by KidD01
@BGfan : Thanks for the pic, makes me want to visit China someday
Layout of Chengdu during the Three Kingdoms era.
I have a few more pics, but I don't want to rack up posts like that; makes me feel guilty after participating in Counting With Aegis!
Anyway to combine a few pics in 1 post? I am a duffer here!
Cheers.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:33 am
by Weasel
Originally posted by KidD01
Are you trying to tell us there's another RTK games not made by Koei ? I know that there's also an "Arcade Fighting game" of RTK, What kind of game R u refering to, pls be more specific
@BGfan : Thanks for the pic, makes me want to visit China someday
It's called Destiny of an Emperor and there is a scond version called Destiny of an Emperor 2, both made by Capcom. The first came out in 1989 for the NES, the second one in 1991.
Both are not like the one's made by Koei, it is more like the Final Fantasy games. You play as Liu Bei only, and can have six or seven people in your party at one time. The goal reunite China with your 'sworn brothers'. The second one deals more with the 'hidden dragon'.
There is even another game based on RTK, (I can remember the name, but will look it up) and you play as Chao Chao only..IIRC.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:42 am
by fable
I do wish KOEI would reenter the PC market with RTK and a few of their other popular games, again. Their problem at the time was that they treated the US market in the same way they did the Japanese: change a few features, keep the game otherwise identical, use the same visuals and engine, and release a new version. That resulted in declining sales, and they never used focus groups to figure out why.
Towards the end of their PC existence they tried to diversify, but used the same engine and graphics on European history (where it lost its exotic appeal, and looked silly next to good contemporary military historical computer games) and mythic lore. I really liked their last PC release, Balor of the Evil Eye, which used a Celtic mythos backdrop. That, and several of the earlier Japanese/Chinese games, are still in my collection.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:00 am
by Weasel
Koei is one strange company.
They don't rush anything. Most of the games I have are made by them though, all of them console games. New Horizons was another good one they made.
PTO and PTO 2
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:23 am
by KidD01
Originally posted by Weasel
It's called Destiny of an Emperor and there is a scond version called Destiny of an Emperor 2, both made by Capcom. The first came out in 1989 for the NES, the second one in 1991.
Both are not like the one's made by Koei, it is more like the Final Fantasy games. You play as Liu Bei only, and can have six or seven people in your party at one time. The goal reunite China with your 'sworn brothers'. The second one deals more with the 'hidden dragon'.
There is even another game based on RTK, (I can remember the name, but will look it up) and you play as Chao Chao only..IIRC.
OH Goody ! Another RTK Games Is it in English language ?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:31 am
by Weasel
Originally posted by KidD01
OH Goody ! Another RTK Games Is it in English language ?
The first one is in English and can be found on the internet. Now the second one...I could not find in English from Capcom, but if you get any version of 2 you can then get a ROM with a patch. Some people got together and translated it and did IMHO a very good job. The other one (With Chao Chao) is not avaible in English as well and the last I heard no one planned to translate it.
This is the only one I haven't played.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:09 am
by KidD01
I'm looking forward to play that game, AFAIK Capcom is such a lame game maker take example of their Street Fighter series. No offense but you can connect all hit in that game. Well enough with Capcom thingy. I just hope it's a good game
@Weasel : DAMIT Weasel, open your ICQ !
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:18 am
by Weasel
Originally posted by KidD01
I'm looking forward to play that game, AFAIK Capcom is such a lame game maker take example of their Street Fighter series. No offense but you can connect all hit in that game. Well enough with Capcom thingy. I just hope it's a good game
@Weasel : DAMIT Weasel, open your ICQ !
No ICQ here, only at home.
If you judge them against todays games, they will be real lame. But for their time period, they are some of the best Capcom put out.
I just went to
Ebay
and found Bandit Kings of Ancient and Destiny of an Emperor both up for sale.
Number 2 of Destiny will be the hardest to find.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:24 am
by KidD01
Anyway R u at your workshop now ?
FYI I've got the original Bandit Kings of Ancient China (The one you're mention is released by KOEI for PC right ?)
Allright then, check the PM
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:28 am
by Weasel
Originally posted by KidD01
Anyway R u at your workshop now ?
FYI I've got the original Bandit Kings of Ancient China (The one you're mention is released by KOEI for PC right ?)
Allright then, check the PM
Bandit Kings of Ancient China ..the one on Ebay is for the NES, I don't have it...but I'm thinking of bidding on it. Last time I checked it wasn't at Ebay, but now it is...probaly want be there for long.
Checking.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:30 am
by fable
Originally posted by Weasel
Bandit Kings of Ancient China ..the one on Ebay is for the NES, I don't have it...but I'm thinking of bidding on it. Last time I checked it wasn't at Ebay, but now it is...probaly want be there for long.
Checking.
I have it for the PC, and oddly enough picked up the books on that one, too. It's probably my favorite of the series.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:34 am
by Weasel
Originally posted by fable
I have it for the PC, and oddly enough picked up the books on that one, too. It's probably my favorite of the series.
Do you know where you can find old games like that for the PC? I look at Ebay, but almost all the games there are console games.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:37 am
by KidD01
@Weasel : Chk your PM now
@fable : Bandit Kings of Ancient China aka 108 Heroes of Liang Shan Mountain, while the Novel title is "Water Margin" (it's a straight translation of its real chinese title). This also another of my favorite.......don't blame me
but in Asian countries it's easire to find chinese literature than English literature like Charles D!ckens
Sadly I don't own the novel, so I only read it once. Hence I'm kinda confused with the ending
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:41 am
by fable
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:45 am
by KidD01
Originally posted by fable
I've got another one of those Red Chinese anonymous translations, so it's actuallly called Bandit Kings of Ancient China. As for the ending--I read elsewhere that the last volume of the four was added by a governmental bureaucrat, who wanted to contradict the rebellious, Robin Hood-like atmosphere of what went before. I guess it's something cultural that led all four to continue to be published as one, since I find the fourth volume a real letdown in the way it basically kills off the main characters and exalts the rulers.
Well, I would encourage you to search it on Amazon. They've got some fine collections there
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:56 am
by fable
Originally posted by KidD01
Well, I would encourage you to search it on Amazon. They've got some fine collections there
Thanks, but I'll wait for now. At the moment I'm still revelling in a new, highly annotated translation of The Tale of Genji made by Royall Tyler, which my wife bought for my birthday last December. However, I'll keep an eye out in used bookstores, when I go to Boston for a weekend trip in May.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:01 am
by KidD01
My wish list
Here's my wish list :
1. Water Margin
2. The Brave Archer
3. Musashi (Call me weird, I've read this novel twice on library - now I plan to buy it
)
BTW what's Tale of Genji is about ?
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:10 am
by Weasel
Originally posted by fable
I've got another one of those Red Chinese anonymous translations, so it's actuallly called Bandit Kings of Ancient China. As for the ending--I read elsewhere that the last volume of the four was added by a governmental bureaucrat, who wanted to contradict the rebellious, Robin Hood-like atmosphere of what went before. I guess it's something cultural that led all four to continue to be published as one, since I find the fourth volume a real letdown in the way it basically kills off the main characters and exalts the rulers.
Romance of the Three Kingdoms would fall under this somewhat. It really depends on which version of the book you read. One was written in Shu and the other in Jin..(Wei). The Shu version was written after Shu fell to Jin and I believe is considered the most truthful version. The Wei book is called the "story" book. Meaning I guess most of it's not true.
And it's been ? 1700 years since this happened, and the winner and time does change history.
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2002 11:21 am
by KidD01
it is a confusing one indeed, Weasel. But AFAIK the most circulated & translated version is authored by Luo Guan Zong (I hope I pronounced the name correctly
)