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I'm going to have to disagree with the 'limited attack' focus many of you have stated.

If we simply take out those we know who are responsible, how long until this happens again?. We cannot stop there. This should be a rallying call to focus on the elimination of all terrorists in the world - not just the ones who caused the most recent incident at a given time.

Also, I think many of you are taking the statements out of context. Bush said no distinction between terrorists and those who harbor them. He did not say the countries that harbor them. This means it would be a war against the Taliban - not against Afghanistan. After all, what western country acknowledges the Taliban as a legitimate ruling power?

As for the method of attack, I do agree that it should not be a wide-scale operation. It should be simple assasination attacks and elimination of terrorist bases (through SEAL/Ranger/etc. teams or missle attacks). One thing's for sure - the Ford Executive Order must go. It may have been reasonable when it took an entire country (that you could go to war against) to harm you; it's not reasonable when it only takes one man to severly cripple a nation.

Beef up millitary intelligence and find every major terrorist in Afganistan, and abduct them and drag em back here to stand trial.

Originally posted by Word:
<STRONG>Already Americans are acting as we did in WWII after the attack on pearl harbor. Our ignorant populice is spouting off curse words and violence at anyone who even resembles a follower of Islam or of Arabic heritage. When will these people learn that when people of a certain race do something horrible that it doesn't mean that culture should be wiped off the face of the earth. People never learn from the past. These idiots accuse or threaten anyone who resembles a terrorist in their mind regardless of the truth. </STRONG>

Look [url="http://www.al-muhajiroun.f2s.com/index2.html"]here[/url].

We would be foolish to believe carpet bombing Afghanistan would wipe out any future risk of terrorism.

There is not a concentrated state where all terrorists reside, these fanatics and their sympathisers are all over the world, and an eye for an eye would only further alienate the east from the west.

We need to remember that these despots are NOT just religious fanatics - they are madmen with political purposes. There are many millions of Muslims in this world that are as unable as we are to understand as to why such an attrocity has taken place in the name of their prophet-

Bin Laden (if it was him) has offended the teachings of the Koran..this is not the action of a Muslim, in my opinion this is the action of a madman who just happens to be a Muslim.

We would also be foolish to think by sending in the troups we could just watch from our armchairs at fires burning in the distance -
we must be careful and move away from accusing 'muslim fanatics' and tarring all muslims with the same brush.

There has been too much violent racial unrest in Britain of recent years, pointing fingers at mosques will bring the war to our own doorsteps...

A gun was fired outside a mosque on Friday in London. Muslim schools are being closed. A Muslim school in Berkshire (UK)reported pupils cheering at the news on Tuesday - these are extremely dangerous times.

The loss of more innocent lives is no kind of retribution. We need to locate the madmen responsible, bring them to trial in front of the eyes of the world, and make an example of him.

Whether we practice mindless bombing or political sanctions it will not stop their children growing up with the same kind of passionate hatred of the western world. We need more long term plans...

I am not saying we should not seek retribution, I am just saying gung-ho is not the way to go. We need to put a lot more thought than that into it. Bombing Afghanistan will get immediate satisfaction for the millions who are angry or afraid - but we need to look to the future also - will bombing Afghanistan REALLY achieve long term peace?

No.

Just my personal opinion.

A quick question -

How do you all feel Bush has handled the situation so far?

Personally I am wondering what took him so long to get to NY, and why he has spent so little time there...*shrugs*

Originally posted by Word:
<STRONG>Already Americans are acting as we did in WWII after the attack on pearl harbor. Our ignorant populice is spouting off curse words and violence at anyone who even resembles a follower of Islam or of Arabic heritage. When will these people learn that when people of a certain race do something horrible that it doesn't mean that culture should be wiped off the face of the earth. People never learn from the past. These idiots accuse or threaten anyone who resembles a terrorist in their mind regardless of the truth. </STRONG>

You are shoving words down people's mouths. You made a very broad statment that does not apply to many Americans including myself.

@Azeroth: Word isn't shoving words down your throats, he is actually right. People (Americans) have been told by the Media that it was Bin Laden, and are now pointing fingers at him. Because of his ethnic backgrounds, and because Afganistan is harbouring him (Unconfirmed I beleive) the American populace is pointing their fingers that way. Word is not saying that every American is doing it, but enough of them to make it noticable.

Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>@Azeroth: Word isn't shoving words down your throats, he is actually right. People (Americans) have been told by the Media that it was Bin Laden, and are now pointing fingers at him. Because of his ethnic backgrounds, and because Afganistan is harbouring him (Unconfirmed I beleive) the American populace is pointing their fingers that way. Word is not saying that every American is doing it, but enough of them to make it noticable.</STRONG>

1.) The media has not said it is Bin Laden. They have merely stated what the government has stated which is that they are 90%(or more by now?) sure that it was Bin Laden.

2.) Yes, a few Americans have the idea in their head that we should just destroy Afghanistan, but those are the people who don't understand what war is really about.

3.) Bin Laden is in Afghanistan.

4.) Those few Americans who are pointing fingers at Bin Laden and such happen to be "complaining the loudest" because they are mad that the US hasn't retaliated.

I'll have you know that the Matt on NBC's "Today" show said that several possible terrorist organizations came to mind as possibly behind the events, but he wasn't going to mention any of them for the purpose of not putting ideas in people's heads. That was on Tuesday morning when all this was going on.

Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>1.) The media has not said it is Bin Laden. They have merely stated what the government has stated which is that they are 90%(or more by now?) sure that it was Bin Laden.

2.) Yes, a few Americans have the idea in their head that we should just destroy Afghanistan, but those are the people who don't understand what war is really about.

3.) Bin Laden is in Afghanistan.

4.) Those few Americans who are pointing fingers at Bin Laden and such happen to be "complaining the loudest" because they are mad that the US hasn't retaliated.

I'll have you know that the Matt on NBC's "Today" show said that several possible terrorist organizations came to mind as possibly behind the events, but he wasn't going to mention any of them for the purpose of not putting ideas in people's heads. That was on Tuesday morning when all this was going on.</STRONG>

@SS: By the media constanly airing news regarding Bin Laden and his "involvement" they are supporting the fact that he is in there, which is still unconfirmed. Also, about the Afgainistan comment, I wasn't saying Americans as individuals, but as a people, or a "mob" if you will.

@Aegis: The Taliban said they have bin Laden.

That's about as confirmed as you can get - a supposed enemy saying they have what you want.

They are threatening to attack Pakistan if they has agreed to give their support in finding terrorists (Pakistan since agreed to that) - that's pretty suspicious to me.

Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>@SS: By the media constanly airing news regarding Bin Laden and his "involvement" they are supporting the fact that he is in there, which is still unconfirmed. Also, about the Afgainistan comment, I wasn't saying Americans as individuals, but as a people, or a "mob" if you will.</STRONG>

The media is providing information on Bin Laden, but as far as how certain they are of Bin Laden's involvement, they are saying no more than the government is saying; except for a few media people who are speculating. Just because some people who speak on TV against Afghanistan, doesn't mean the nation in general thinks that.

@SS: Those are valid points, but then if America in general isn't pointing the finger at Bin Laden, then why is his involvement discussed so much, but no other Terrorist groups are being labeled and brought up?

@Quark: We all know the Taliban supports him, so why would it make sense they would turn him in (Of sorts in this case) For all we know, the Taliban could've said that in order to thorugh off American officials. Until we get visual confermation on this, we really have no clue where he is.

@Azeroth sorry if i offended you but i just doing what aegis said. i'm an american myself and it shames me that fellow americans are dumb enough to accuse anyone.

Originally posted by Aegis:
[QB]@SS: Those are valid points, but then if America in general isn't pointing the finger at Bin Laden, then why is his involvement discussed so much, but no other Terrorist groups are being labeled and brought up?
QB]

Maybe thats because 99% of terrorist groups are connected to Bin Laden in some way? Remember when he bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya? That may be one reason why he is so highly suspected by the U.S. If it is not him who do you think it is? Is it the scandanavian countries or perhaps Canada is responsible for it?

I, being only one person, cannot speak for my country. I'm not sure who it could've been. At the same time though, I have not said it wasn't Bin LAden. I'm just saying that until we know for sure who did it, we shouldn't be pointing fingers. I don't know how many times I have to say that, but I'll tell you this, I have that friggen statment Copied, and pasted many times...

How much evidence do you want? The authorities have arrested people in connection with Bin Laden and they have done research on the guys who hi jacked those planes and they were connected with him as well. Maybe your news in Canada is different than ours but I still don't know how much friggin proof you need to bring down the hammer on this Bin Laden.

It just seems to convienant. To catch people that quickly in the World just seems fishy. I think they're looking for excuses bcause of the audacity of what happend to them.

So you would rather have the U.S. sit around and pick their nose? Or maybe we should just wait until the next attack?

Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>It just seems to convienant. To catch people that quickly in the World just seems fishy. I think they're looking for excuses bcause of the audacity of what happend to them.</STRONG>

You're insinuating that we don't know how to do an investigation that fast. We may not always do the best thing or most efficient thing, but when we set out mind to something, we get it done. The government followed every possible lead as fast as they could. If they didn't care about finding true 'proof,' the US would've already attacked Afghanistan.

@SS Well said.