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Originally posted by CM
@Weasel, HDL and Fable have made my point. Though more succinctly and much clearier. There were military wings, and only after the British themselves decided that they would give freedom did they start a dialogue. The peace movement did not force the brits to start a dialogue.

I will need to do a search and see if Indians straped bombs to theirselfs and then walked into market places and blow their selfs up. If I find they did, I will take all of my comments back. If they didn't, I will stand with my claims that peaceful resistance can work.

There is a fine line between fighting a cause for "freedom" and fighting a cause to "eliminate" a people.

IMHO to fight for "freedom" you attack the other sides means of holding you back. (Mainly the armed services)

IMHO to fight to "eliminate" a people you attack the people, no matter who or what they are.

Originally posted by fable


The untractrable problem is that both sides can point with reason to a history of broken promises and acts of extralegal conquest or terrorism on the part of the other. The vicious acts committed by one are justified by the demonization of the opponent who has always done worse. It's a cycle that only seems to end when one side vanishes or both sides slide termporarily into exhaustion. I can't find any other historical solutions for this kind of situation.

Ditto Fable.

A matter that is so complicated by historical and religious differences that would seem to have to eventually produce a "loser" in its resolution. IMHO.

I feel that Muslims are crrently ingrained with the notion that the destruction of Israel is the only acceptable solution for them.
The attack upon Israel upon its inception is proof of this belief.
Who attacked who does matter.
I suggest the Arabs would have pushed the Israeli men, women and children into the sea or to their graves without a pause. I am also not so sure the Palestinians would have been any better off in lands under Arab control.

Too bad for them the Israelis kicked their ass.

The Koran(sp?) may not teach hatred and killing, but someone over there does.

@nearly everyone: I'm not advocating using history as an excuse for Israel but as a lesson to be learned from and when the peace existing between these people occurs it will be from learning the truth of the past, taking lessons from it and ignoring it completely in day to day positions.

if there is a solution it must come with help from history as both of these peoples are nearly obsessed with it. The solution lies in history and how previous rulers dealed with this. If no ruler ever successfully dealed with this than the solutions they did try can be eliminated.

i still have no desire to boycott Israel or Palestine but I still don't understand how much of the world community can support Palestine with such fevor.

Actually no weasel, it wasn't the lynching 2 17 year old boys back in the 1930s, but the jewish resistance. You comparing the Indian independence movement to the present situation is weak at best. I said i would not get involved, but oh well.

A bit of history, no they did not strap bombs to themselves, what the indian army did instead was side with the Nazis and Japanese, and make counter attacks against the Indian army itself. They took orders from the Germans and attack Brits in Burma and within India itself. This is not documented very well, as the emphasis is placed on the peace movement.

Have you seen the movie Gandhi? If not check it out, or buy the book, and then get Stanley Wolperts book Jinnah. That should show you the inner dimension to the whole peace movement.

There was a peace movement, but it was not the only thing, the stupid idea that peace solved everything in India is just that. Nearly 1 to 7 million died in riots all around the country from June to August 1947. There were riots everywhere. If you want i can provide excerpts from books I have.

Originally posted by CM

A bit of history, no they did not strap bombs to themselves, what the indian army did instead was side with the Nazis and Japanese, and make counter attacks against the Indian army itself.



There was a peace movement, but it was not the only thing, the stupid idea that peace solved everything in India is just that.

I see no reason to continue, you have answered my question. No bombs where straped on them. Instead they attacked the army.

As for YOUR opinion on my idea being stupid, That is your opinion and I believe it is a violation of the rules as well. No where have I called your opinions stupid. I might disagree, but I see no reason to start calling names.

Fine. I knew staying out is the best thing to do. And i am doing just that now.

Originally posted by Word
I still don't understand how much of the world community can support Palestine with such fevor.

Its simple really.

They have lived under ocupation for years and years. They are treated horribly by the Israelis. Their contry was taken from them without their consent and without compensation.

Thus many think that they deserve a homeland. That does not mean that we think that the Isralis should leave Israel - just that the borders should return to their original form.

That would still leave the palestinians screwed so the International community should go in and help them set up a state. That way they would get a little bit of what they ones had.

Thats why.