Sleep’s “attack” was not nearly the attack everyone else’s was. I did not mean to say that he was attacking me like everyone else was. What I meant was that he was part of the initial questioning of what I had said and likely, though not necessarily, “inspired” some of the actual attacks against me.Originally posted by T’lainya:
<STRONG> @ Saturn, I’m sorry you feel like you were attacked. As Sleep stated, you should have pmd one of us or reported a forum violation. Asking people to abide by the forum rules does not constitute a personal attack.
The forum rules clearly state that if there is a problem with another member, discuss it in pms or email. There was also no need for you to claim CE wants to see you banned.</STRONG>
As I said, I did not mean to claim CE wants me banned. I edited my topic title accordingly and included in the post at the bottom of it that I did not mean to say that. You owe me an apology for saying that I claimed to do that after I had already made changes and apologized for unintentionally doing so, though I don’t expect to receive one from you.
I do not wish to be banned. However, this is what I was typing up when the topic was closed. Rather than separately posting in response to each person, I thought it’d be better to type it all up and post it as one post. This also lets me organize it better. Since I didn’t get it posted before the topic got closed, I am posting a new topic. Whether or not any of you who are reading this post replies to this topic does not matter to me. I just need to get this stuff said. Again, I do not wish to be banned, so please don’t ban me.
I do not have an inflated ego. I may not be the most humble person in the world, but I don't have an inflated ego. You're assuming that I'm stating this a statement of superiority and you're wrong.Originally posted by Waverly:
<STRONG>Those psychologists, teachers, etc. have done you no favors by inflating your ego.</STRONG>
Actually, what you posted agreed with me. A theory is a belief that is looked at from a scientific viewpoint, making it subject to the rules of science. That is what I have been saying when saying that a theory is the scientific version of a belief. If you can’t comprehend that, that doesn’t mean that I’m wrong. The reason your argument is invalid as an argument against what I’ve said is that I agree with you on the definition of a theory. Ya’ll just ain’t seeing the correlation that I’m seeing. Why does that automatically make me wrong?Originally posted by Waverly:
<STRONG>It’s not just that I don’t agree with you, I gave you cited argument showing how you were incorrect. Can you do the same? If you would listen, there are people here whom you could learn from. Suggestion number two is to accept that you are not always correct, and learn when the opportunity presents.</STRONG>
Originally posted by Waverly:
<STRONG> A truly gifted scientist can not only see things in way others cannot, but also state their observations so others can understand. Otherwise, what good would these thoughts be forever locked in the head of the observer? Once again, you cannot effectively end an argument by declaring you are a genius… does this sound familiar?</STRONG>
First, declaring that I am a genius was not the attempt to end the argument. It was in support of what I was saying about thinking differently than anyone else; and I mean in a far more extreme way than the everyone is unique stuff. How many times are you going to make me say this before you will believe me? Why won’t you believe me?
Second, I have a fairly extensive vocabulary, but I have trouble putting the concepts that are in my head into words. Your statement that all truly gifted scientists can put their ideas into words that are understandable is incorrect. How can you say that there are not people who have great amazing revolutionary concepts but can’t get the words out to explain them if they can’t get the words out for you to know that they have these concepts, ne?
My tone? What is my tone here? I am angry, yes. I was verbally attacked when I did nothing wrong and CE stated numerous false accusations against me. I have a right to be angry.Originally posted by Waverly:
<STRONG> I regret the piling on that took place after I left. I hope it does not continue, despite your tone here.</STRONG>
I did not mean to say that you wanted me banned. I apologize for that. I wasn’t paying attention to my grammar when I posted that and didn’t notice exactly how the “and” tied together what was in front of it and what was behind it.Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG> @SS: Why do you state in the title of this thread that I want you banned? I think I have spent more time than anyone else on this board discussing with you. It's a premature conclusion to believe I want you banned because I disagree with much of your opinions and becuase I argue for why I disagree with them.</STRONG>
Until today, I hadn’t had time to make many replies to the stuff you had said, and when I did have time to post, I was not in the correct state of mind to be thinking clearly enough to really respond to what you were saying. As for the message board that is specialized in scientific debate, I haven’t decided. I’m trying to decide if it’d be worth it to go to a board specialized in scientific debate as that would most likely put me in a situation of me vs. multiple evolutionists, which is not exactly fair. I don’t have time or resources to research that stuff the way you do, partially because I’m a physicist not a biologist.Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG> Also, I invited you to continue the evolution/creationism debate at a message board that are specialised in scientific debate, but you didn't even anwer to my suggestion.
In you reply posts to me in the other thread, you did not adress most of the issues </STRONG>
This reminds me. ‘Physicist’ would literally mean someone who studies physics. Just as scientist would literally mean someone who studies science. One does not have to be trained to be a scientist. If I had a research lab, I could already be making some discoveries, or at least proving myself wrong, in the field of gravitational physics. I don’t have a research lab. Why don’t I have a research lab? I don’t have the monetary resources. Where am I most likely to get the monetary resources? Somewhere that will only fund me if I have degrees. What do degrees mean? They mean you made it through school. That can be quite an achievement, but they mean nothing more than that to me. If I had the resources, I would be doing research instead of going to school. Another reason I must get the degrees is so that I will be taken seriously. CE, if I were someone who had gone through school and had a Ph.D. in physics, would you respond to the stuff I have said in the same way you’ve responded?
I pose the same question to you, fable, that I posed to CE. If I were a bible scholar who had gone to seminary, would you have taken me more seriously in the topic in which we discussed what Christians believe?Originally posted by fable;
<STRONG> as though you feel you aren't taken seriously,</STRONG>
For most people, the answer would be “Yes.” The words of a physicist with a Ph.D. or a Bible scholar who has gone to seminary---these actually mean something to people; but the words of a small 18-year-old girl are meaningless, sometimes even laughable.
IIRC, I have not called you a hypocrite, merely stated that what you were doing was hypocritical. I hear that most people don’t view a difference between the two, but I do because there is a difference. I don’t remember calling you close-minded, though that doesn’t mean I didn’t. If I did, then I apologize. You think I like being told I’m not a real scientist, when I am a real scientist? IIRC, those comments were in the evolution thread and I did not directly say you weren’t a real scientists, but I did make indirect comments suggesting that. I apologize, but maintain that they were not half as bad as the accusations you made against me.Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG>You have called me hypocrite, close-minded, not a real scientist, and you have been saying my posts are pointless.</STRONG>
Finally! Someone who understood what I was saying. Thank you, Aegis.Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG> @Weasel: Being a visionary doesn't mean they aren't a genius, and I think that was what SS was going for. She made that statement to show that geniuses are those with ideas, not just people who have taken others work, and taken he next step.
As someone once said, and I beleive this was the same point SS was stressing. "You've seen what others have done, and you've taken it to the next level. You haven't spent the time to learn, to memorize it and to understand. You've taken someones work, and made it your own by adding to it."</STRONG>
On comments that I can’t backu p, I do my best to explain, not only why I can’t back them up but that I also am not 100% positive that I am right, though there are some things I am 100% positive I am right, whether I can back them up or not; but I do not expect people to believe me on these things. I just provide the information and let them decide what they believe. If they have a rebuttle to it, I respond in kind. However, no matter how I ask my questions or point things out, people will almost always get mad at me. They think I’m trying to show them up by pointing out a flaw in something they said or trying to ask questions beyond their ability to answer. This is not what I’m doing, though. When I point out a flaw in something someone said, it is because it confused me and I would like to understand what is being said. When I ask questions, it is because I want to better understand. I don’t claim to have the best possible attitude, but if they would look at what I’m saying with the correct attitude, they might not get so mad at me and fewer problems would occur.Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG> @SS: Your not escaping me either, because your not just a victim. You have made some strong arguemnets, and have raised some doubtful facts, sometimes without even backing them up. That, in turn, has caused problems like this. you came in, guns blazing, and maybe, just maybe, you bit off a little too much. It happens, and it may've happened to you. You have a strong attitude, strong veiws and thoughts, and a very independant mind, and those are all admirable aspects, but they can cause trouble if your high strung, or agrivated, and I think that's what happend here.</STRONG>
I was happy when I sat down at my computer and opened the window to SYM. I gave my speech this morning in my Public Speaking class and it went over well. Beause of that, I was in a very good mood. In fact, I was in one of the best moods I had been in in a long time. Then I opened the window to SYM, checked the Art vs. Porn topic and saw that I was being attacked by people who I thought were friends and being accused of things that ain’t even close to what I was actually doing. Maybe I overreacted, but I had a right to get mad. I just want to thank everyone who attacked me for destroying the best mood I’ve been in for a long time.
You don’t get it. Being a genius is part of who I am. It’s also a part I’d likely be willing to completely give up because it has caused me more trouble than good. And I’m not referring to claiming to be a genius when I say it has caused me trouble. Whether you use the term genius or not, I am extremely intelligent and think on a rather high level. This has gotten me into trouble with teachers, friends, even my parents. I do not claim to be superior, despite what you may think. I am, in some ways, superior to some people, and in other ways inferior to some people.Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG> Forget about claims to genius; be yourself. You're quite likeable for who you are. And I would be fascinated to see how you change and grow over the next decade.</STRONG>
Yeah, you finally did post the list of books that I requested, but I had to keep requesting over and over. You never did respond to my statement that I am, by the authority of Christ, a spokesperson for Christianity, though. You also never said why you have the authority to say what Christians believe, even though you are not even a Christian. You constantly state things to undermine my authority yet ignore anything I say that might show your lack of authority. I, however, responded to all your statements having to do with my authority on the matter and commented on your lack of authority. I was not trying to bring this back up. I am not brooding over this either. I do, however, have a rather good memory.Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG> SS, please, stop and ask yourself whether brooding over and rearranging reality in this fashion is really doing a bit of good. I posted *two* lists to you, one with some titles, and I explained that I was giving you authors because titles change in some cases (I even gave you an instance of this with Pastor Neimoller's work), and many different titles of equal weight are available. All of this is available for anybody to read, should they want to.</STRONG>
This is the last I have to say on this matter, at least outside of pms/email. If you wish to continue to flame me, go ahead. I don't really care anymore. It's fairly obvious that I'm not accepted here any more than I have anywhere else.
[ 10-15-2001: Message edited by: Sailor Saturn ]
