Jaheira Romance ANSWERS!!!!! *SPOILERS GALORE!!!!*

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Jaheira Romance ANSWERS!!!!! *SPOILERS GALORE!!!!*

Postby Kordeth » Thu Dec 21, 2000 2:56 pm

Well, it took some doin', but I tracked down the issue as to why so many people seem to find the Jaheira romance a bitch....SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!

In at least one case, (and probably more, given how many people seem stuck in how many placs), the Jaheira romance script is tied to and controlled by the Harper Quest. Now, after poking around with the CLUAConsole (using its powers for good instead of for evil :P ) and reading archived threads by folks far wiser than I at bg2dungeon.com, here's a condensed version of the info:

The Romance scripts are governed by your Love Talk rating. This number indicates how far you are aong in the script (Jaheira has a max. of 70). Now, contrary to what people think, the romance dialogues are not initiated totally at random: There's a timer which counts down when the next romance dialogue will ocur (assuming any other scripted prerequisites are met, such as having completed Harper Quest such-and-such or whatever). These aren't random either, they are scripted requirements for a given Love Talk rating to increase. Now, here's the trick: The romance dialogue timer works in REAL time (minutes, hours, whatever); this means you can hit the rest button 700 times, and no dialogue will come up, because it took you 5-minutes or less of real time. Now the Harper quests, on the other hand, operate in game-time. This means if Dermin is scheduled to appear X number of days after Y event, it'll happen in 5 real-time minutes if you sit and rest. The catch is, if you aren't already at the Love Talk rating of 53 (which, as has been posted, is indicated by a dialogue about aligning our sleep cycles with the sun), you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ADVANCE YOUR ROMANCE ANY FARTHER!!!! Right, yes, Kordeth, that's been explained, so why are you wasting our time with this? Well, I wanted you to understand the problem before giving you all the solution, so maybe you can apply it to similar "glitches" that you encounter.

The Easy Fix: Download <a href="http://www.geocities.com/zanzida/jaheira.zip">this</a> file, made by someone named Zanzida on another BG2 message board. It's the Jaheira romance script, slightly edited to remove the requirement of Dermin from the 53+ Love Talk rating advancements. Now, I don't know if it fixes any other similar wire-crossings earlier in the script, and if you HAVEN'T killed Dermin yet and try to advance the relationship past a Love Talk of 53, you'll get weird out-of-context stuff.

The No Less Easy, But Potentially Less Risky Fix:
If you don't want to trust your game files to a complete stranger (I did, and it worked fine), you can merely use the CLUAConsole to reset your Love Talk rating to 56 or 57, and you should be fine--but you will miss a couple of interesting and amusing dialogues.


And, to close, here are a few handy CLUAConsole commands--use them wisely.
CLUAConsole:GetGlobal("Lovetalk","LOCALS") - Chect your love talk rating with a given character. You must have your mouse pointer over that character's portrait to use this.
CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("LoveTalk","LOCALS",XX) - Sets your love talk to a given rating, where XX is a number.
CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("JaheiraRomance","GLOBALS",1) - Re-sets the countdown timer to one, forcing the next romance dialogue to begin. May not always work if there's a scripted prerequisite attached to the next dialogue (i.e. "Party must rest for 8 hours in forest to trigger dialogue" if you're in the Copper Coronet). You may substitute Jaheira's name for any of the other romances (i.e. AerieRomance, ViconiaRomance, AnomenRomance). Good luck, have fun, and love that Jaheira's feisty spirit like I did! Image


BIG SPOILER


Yes, you do indeed get to bed Jaheira, but not until you get your LoveTalk rating to 70. If that matters to any of you. Image

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Postby flinfman » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:02 pm

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Postby flinfman » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:18 pm

So let me get this straight... after wacking Dermin, then and only then your love rating goes about 53. How much faster does it go after that with Jaheria? Once he's dead, does the romance speed up, slow down, rocket towards the magic 70, funny enough one number up from what I would have chosen? Image

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Postby Ubik » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:21 pm

may I second that too, dear sir?
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Postby taira » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:22 pm

when i use "aerieromance" instead of jaheria it doesnt work=P why?

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Postby flinfman » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:23 pm

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Postby Ubik » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:24 pm

Image now, why would you mind that, i wonder??? Image
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Postby flinfman » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:27 pm

I don't mind the respect I'm deserved, you're just making me feel weird. It's been awhile since I lived in such Victorian times when they addressed everyone so properly, I'm having all these strange flashbacks.

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Postby Kordeth » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:33 pm

flin, you misunderstand--you have to get your Love Talk up to 53 BEFORE whacking Dermin. Whacking him doesn't bump you to 53, but it's the prerequisite for moving from 53 on upwards. As to how fast it goes, I can't really say--I had already spent nearly a month of gametime on that damn romance, and when I finally figured it out, I got tired of waiting and used the CLUAConsole commands to get through the rest of the dialogues in short order. I think I earned it. Image

Taira, make sure you're typing it exactly like this: CLUAConsole:GetGlobal("AerieRomance","GLOBALS"). It is case sensitive. Failing that, you might try GLOBAL instead of GLOBALS--I might have plunked in an extra S by mistake.

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Postby taira » Thu Dec 21, 2000 4:33 pm

sorry, i meant
CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("AerieRomance","GLOBALS",1)
doesnt work, same with
CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("ViconiaRomance","GLOBALS",1)

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Postby The Nutless One » Thu Dec 21, 2000 8:47 pm

Ohhhhhh, with tears streaming down my eyes I thank you. Someone should put this up on the main page.

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Postby Kordeth » Fri Dec 22, 2000 1:30 pm

Valid point indeed--Buck, you reading this? Or do I have to e-mail it to you? Image

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Postby taira » Fri Dec 22, 2000 2:42 pm

actually, the command for making the romance scripts start immediatly doesnt work for any of the romanc appilicable npcs...

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Postby Karembeu » Fri Dec 22, 2000 2:48 pm

Taira remember that romances only are able to advance during chapter´s 2,3 and 6.....ohh and of course you have enabled the the "CLUA Console" by editing your baldur.ini file?????
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Postby taira » Fri Dec 22, 2000 4:07 pm

yes, cluaconsole is enabled and Im in chapter 2... My romance rating with aerie is only 8 or 9 but I have had 3-4 romance dialogues...

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Postby Karembeu » Fri Dec 22, 2000 4:28 pm

Well then it should work fine with the
CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("AerieRomance","GLOBAL",1) Do you have any other possible romances in your party????
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Postby Kerra » Sat Dec 23, 2000 4:03 am

"Taira remember that romances only are able to advance during chapter´s 2,3 and 6....."

that can't be right. my evil game has a guy as the main PC and viconia is talking to him in the underdark(ch 5). i lost the save file for my main game Image and it was only on ch 2 so I don't know if anomen keeps talking in the middle chapters.
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Postby Karembeu » Sat Dec 23, 2000 4:15 am

You actually mean you´re getting continous romance dialogues in the Underdark????
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Postby Kerra » Sat Dec 23, 2000 6:04 pm

yes i am. viconia has been talking to my evil PC all through the underdark. i have to redo my main character so i'll see if anomen (yuk :P ) talks to her there too.
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