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Postby Jon_Deep » Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:46 pm

I posted this over on another forum and it got really good responses, enjoy :D ...

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Ok, so this is my third time through SOA in preparation for TOB so I wanted to do it right. I have read about a million posts on this subject (with varying degrees of helpfulness, but mostly confusion) so I finally decided to write about my experience with this somewhat long romance.

My general plan was to try to schedule the romance events around the regular quests in the game, taking advantage of (among other things) that Jaheira disappears twice. All the while, weaving in the Planar Sphere quests as well so I could finish both BEFORE the underdark (all of it in Chapter 2). A daunting task to be sure!

To keep the romance progressing smoothly, I used the famous pause technique to quickly initiate dialog between events (like Dermin's appearances, Terminsel, etc.). This was the key and with a little patience (ok, a LOT) it worked great! For those who may not know what this is, since romance dialogs work on real time (not game days) you can start the game, pause it, leave your computer for an hour, return, unpause it and the next dialog will activate. This will activate the next dialog unless there is a trigger event OR a sleep event.

The romance events are as follows,

START

1. Automatic 'Where to now, fearless leader?'
2. Pause 'Hmmm ... seems I cannot help but speak of the dead lately.'
3. Pause 'Ehh, I think I still have a stitch in my leg from lying in that cold cell we were in.'
4. Sleep Jaheira has first bad dream.
5. Pause 'A copper for your thoughts.'
6. Sleep Jaheira has second bad dream.
7. Trigger Event Poisoned Man and Xar/Montaron quests.
8. Pause 'Blast, our progress is not as it could be, I am sure.'
9. Pause 'I ... This may be a bad time or not, but you asked a question of me and I brushed it aside.'
10. Pause 'We continue on our path and I cannot help but wonder if we walk in balance. I have a role to follow.'
11. Pause '(char name), do you worry of missing friends?'
12. Pause 'I do wish these scars would heal.'
13. Pause 'This is a dangerous life we seem to lead, it does seem.'
14. Sleep (Wild) Bandits appear and take Jaheira hostage. After which Meronia appears and tells Jaheira to follow her. Jaheira leaves the party.
15. Sleep Jaheira returns and tells you to go with her to the Harper Hold.
16. Trigger Event Confrontation with Galvarey at the Harper hold.
17. Pause 'So, what do you think of Amn so far?'
18. Pause 'We have had many people seek our death so far.'
19. Pause 'Again I must say how much I prefer the forest to artificial structures.'
20. Pause 'I have been in a similar place as this before, though it was in the company of other Harpers.'
21. Pause Reviane spawns and tells Jaheira that she will suffer a traitor's death.
22. Pause 'Skies are a bit gray no matter where we go, aren't they?'
23. Pause 'This may be a bad time or not, but I think we should speak..'
24. Pause 'There is an ill wind in the air.' Dermin appears for the first time.
25. Pause 'Blast, my armour needs some cleaning.'
26. Pause 'Your old injuries feeling alright?'
27. Pause 'So ... could I ... have a few moments of your time?'
28. Pause 'I ... I need to speak with you a moment.'
29. Pause 'How ... how did that battle make you feel?' Dermin comes again and this time warns Jaheira that the Harper court has decided her fate.
30. Sleep When you wake up you will find that Jaheira is no longer in your party. Terminsel shows up and gives you a note from Jaheira.
31. Trigger Event Go back to Harper Hold and get Jaheira back.
32. Pause 'Ah, the dawning of our day, though it is very rarely that we match our sleep to the cycle of day or night.'
33. Sleep (Wild) Dermin tries to kill Jaheira.
34. Sleep 'It is about time we rested. I have seen enough waking hours thank you very much.'
35. Pause 'What? What is it you want?'
36. Pause 'You needn't keep a distance between us.'
37. Sleep 'I have ... had a realization.'
38. Pause 'We have to be nearing our goal.'
39. Sleep This scene is when Jaheira propositions you.
40. Pause 'Terminsel' comes back and asks Jaheira some questions. If your reputation is >= 10 she gets the Harper Pin and you get a boatload of XP.

FINISH

The trick was to make sure I used the pause technique to get ALL of the dialogs BETWEEN the trigger and/or sleep events. For instance, after the Galverey trigger event (#16) I went to the Temple District (I was going to do the Unseeing Eye quest) and I got the next dialog (#17) . After that I just paused, waited for 1 hour, unpaused then I got the next dialog (#18). This way I got ALL of the dialog up to just before the next sleep event (#29) including the Revienne and Dermin appearances (and it barely took 1 hour *game* time).

The following describes my experience with the Jaheira romance and how it was interspersed with other major quests in the game. I did MANY other quests during the romance that are not mentioned.

QUICK SYNOPSIS/WALKTHROUGH:
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So after I had completed the dialogs #1-#6 I was ready to kick off #7 by resting in the wilderness. But first I had to leave Athkatla so I talked to Nalia and got the D'Arnise Hold quest and told her I'd meet her there. I then went to D'Arnise which started the Poisoned Man trigger event #7. I went back to Athkatla to finish the Poisoned Man and Xar/Montaron quests. After this when I had completed dialogs #8-#13 I was ready for the ambush (#14).

So, back to D'Arnise Hold I went. Resting here started the bandit ambush and Meronia causing Jaheira to leave. Now, since Jaheira was gone I picked up Nalia and did the D'Arnise hold stuff. Upon returning to Athkatla I sold some stuff, then rested. This caused Jaheira to return and rejoin ... adios Nalia. Then I go over to the Harper hold and get rid of Galverey (#16). This conveniently set me up to do dialogs #17-#20.

After that was complete I was ready to do event #30. I chose this time to do the Trademeet quests so I went there and slept. After Jaheira subsequently left, I went to get the quest and picked up Cernd. After finished in Trademeet and the Druid Grove I went back to Athkatla to do Cernds quests there. After finishing that, I dropped him for Korgan and did his quest. Finally I went back to the Harper Hold and got Jaheira back.

Next it was time to do event #32 to avoid the infamous dialog loop. After this I went to D'Arnise Hold again and slept to get Dermin to attack. After I beat the crap out of him I went to Athkatla did some quests and then rested for #34. During this time I had done the Skinner Murders quest so I had to go back to Trademeet to finish it. I did so, then finished dialogs #35-#36 and rested for #37.

Now it was time for the Windspear Hills so I went there. After finishing it (and getting the dialog #38) it was time to head home to Athkatla to prepare for Chapter 3, sell some loot and sleep to get propositioned (#39).

Finally, I went outside paused and got the final appearance my Terminsel and got the Harper Pin ... whew!!!

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Postby polaris » Wed Jul 18, 2001 4:35 pm

This is all very good (so much so I wrote it down), but I keep on getting stuck on #29. Jaheria asks about my last battle AND DERMIN DOES NOT APPEAR!!! The entire romance/plot goes down the tubes (and before anyone asks, I did try resetting the DerminSpawn/Appear variables to the correct values). What then?

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Postby Bishop » Wed Jul 18, 2001 4:48 pm

Beautiful walkthrough. That is exactly what I have been looking for for a long time. Thanks.

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Postby Jon_Deep » Thu Jul 19, 2001 7:20 am

Polaris:

It seems that this is a very common sticky point for the romance. Dermin doesn't show up everywhere, for me I was in the Temple District. I think most parts of Athkatla are OK, but that is about it.

If you haven't already tried this ... go to Athkatla (Temple District) and use the pause technique. See if you get Dermin there.

Now, for some, this still might not work. What may be happening in this case is if it fails once you are screwed forever. So if my above suggestion doesn't work try reloading a game before the *first* time you got dialog #29 (i.e. right after #28). Then make sure you are in Athkatla, use the pause technique and let 'er rip.

Good luck ... I hope this helps!

Bishop:

Thanks for the good word :) ! I think this is by far the most rewarding (and challenging) romance of the bunch ...

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Postby humanflyz » Thu Jul 19, 2001 11:17 am

Thank God somebody posted such a topic!!!!!!!! Big thumbs up for Valecrion. Keep up the good work. Thanks a lot.
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Postby KaaZe » Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:37 pm

Well, I guess im stuck at the last bit, where Terminsel is to appear. I have had the game paused forever and nothing happens. My rep is 20 so that shouldnt be a problem... I tried resting everywhere I can.. but this guy just wont come around. Even tried the consol cheats to force a dialog/spawning him... nothing.. but Shadowkeep says that the romance is finished (70) and romance is set to 2.
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Postby Angelus » Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:47 pm

Originally posted by KaaZe:
<STRONG>...Shadowkeep says that the romance is finished (70) and romance is set to 2.</STRONG>


I don't really have a solution for your problem, but if the romance is set ot 2 it's still going, it ends with 73 not 70 and is than set to 3.
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Postby Jon_Deep » Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:30 pm

All:

Thanks for the good remarks :D ! Please let me know if you have any more questions ...

KaaZe:

Where are you in the game and what Chapter?

Buck Satan:

Sounds great! If it's OK with you I'd first like to work on it a little more, then I would be happy to send it to you ... thanks! Any special format?
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Postby polaris » Fri Jul 20, 2001 10:19 am

Guys,

I am at wit's end. I *tried* doing what was suggested above and Dermin *still* didn't show up for #29. What now? (The CLUA commands did not help either. Is this a ToB bug?)

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Postby Sojourner » Fri Jul 20, 2001 10:38 am

@Polaris

What is Jaheira's LOVETALK value? What is the value of DerminSpawn? What was the last romance dialogue? What area and chapter are you in?

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Postby polaris » Fri Jul 20, 2001 11:45 am

Answers:

1. How do you find the 'lovetalk' value? I looked it up in shadowkeeper and could not find it.

2. I am between dialog #28 and #29...and the romance proceeded *exactly* as outlined previously.

3. Derminspawn has a value of 3....exactly what it should be.

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Postby KaaZe » Fri Jul 20, 2001 11:51 am

Originally posted by Valecrion:
<STRONG>All:

KaaZe:

Where are you in the game and what Chapter?

[Any special format?</STRONG>



I have moved on to ToB, gave up.... I left the computer on pause for 3 hours and didnt get anything.. so I gave up.
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Postby Sojourner » Fri Jul 20, 2001 12:18 pm

@Polaris

To find Jaheira's LOVETALK in Shadowkeeper, make sure her portrait is showing, then click on the affects tab. Scroll down the list until you see LOVETALK. The value you're looking for is under parameter 1. In-game, you can find the value by holding the mouse cursor over her portrait and entering the following at the console:

CLUAConsole:GetGlobal("LOVETALK","locals")
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Postby polaris » Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:52 pm

Guys,

I find the CLUA console difficult to use and problematic anyway (I regard it as a cheat). The Romance should not NEED IT.

However, I have solved my problem....

MAJOR BUG ALERT!

If you are playing SoA with the ToB add on installed, Dermin will NOT SHOW. To get Dermin to show, you must continue the game with the SoA and program ONLY. I think the designers overwrote something by accident when they modified the Jaheira script for ToB.

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Postby Jon_Deep » Mon Jul 23, 2001 9:35 am

Polaris:

Hmmm, my walkthrough is for SOA only. I have no idea what changes TOB makes to the romance.

Could you elaborate on how you found this? I'm not sure I understand. Did you re-install SOA only and it worked (you got Dermin)?

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Postby Quark » Mon Jul 23, 2001 11:07 am

That's not the bug. I had Dermin appear all three times while I was in one of the forests. That was with ToB installed, so ToB is not the problem.

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Postby polaris » Mon Jul 23, 2001 11:40 am

Quark,

What can I say, but you are wrong about that. I tested the system *extensively* both with and without ToB installed.

*IF* you have ToB installed, then Dermin will never show up the second time. Trust me on this; it is a FACT. [I have tested it in all the relevant areas.]

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Postby psicow » Tue Jul 24, 2001 1:22 am

Hhmmm nice guide, thou it may be missing something (or maybe not) but doesn't the purchase of the Keepsake locket in the docks area have an affect on the romance?

the dialogue certainly seems a little romantic.

If so it may or may not be why dermin doesn't show up (not that i've done any testing in this reguard)
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Postby polaris » Tue Jul 24, 2001 1:47 am

Nope. I have tested it. Went all the way to 'Did you enjoy the last fight' line. If I had ToB installed Dermin NEVER showed.

If I used the SAME save file using SoA ONLY, Dermin showed up and the Romance proceeded like clockwork. [And yes I did buy the locket.]

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