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Postby Nightmare » Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:42 pm

Is this a good game, for those who got it? Can anyone here explain the game to me? (plot, combat, style, etc.)
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Postby fable » Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:52 pm

Don't care for it much, myself. Much more linear than even IWD. I like the graphics and the combat is fun, but it's extremely repetitive.
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Postby acuoio » Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:00 pm

Well, I happen to like the game. I think it was worth the money I put down. It does have some quirks that make it boring at times.

You can read the Gamespot review and see how other people have rated this game. They give it an 8.3/8.4, which means that it is a great game.

The graphics and sound are the best part. By far the best 3D world that I've seen. If you use an EAX sound card, you will really hear some sweet sound. Other than that, the game is just point and click repetition....just like Diablo. The world is linear like Diablo. I guess I would just take Diablo and make it 3D and you would have Dungeon Siege.

I like the game very much. It reminds me of the game Rune II. I'm a firm believer that this game, like Baldur's Gate, isn't a true role playing game. In fact, if you can ditch your starting character at any time.

My final thought: If you haven't immediately taken a liking to the game based on screen shots and dungeon siege's website, then I would suggest you wait for the demo. If you are a true RPG gamer, and conscious about your money, wait for Morrowind. That game will make us all forget about Dungeon Siege.

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Postby Andrinor » Wed Apr 10, 2002 10:50 pm

I was addicted for about 30 hours of game play, a large number of those hours being consecutive. Then I kindof lost interest.

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Postby fable » Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:45 am

You can read the Gamespot review and see how other people have rated this game. They give it an 8.3/8.4, which means that it is a great game.

Don't know about that. I mean, @Acuoio, I would never tell you that a game can't be great for you, and I would expect the same courtesy in return. :) But Gamespot's reader reviews have been notorious for a long time. As soon as one comes up, all the fanatical boards devoted to a single game put up Gamespot links, and point the troops with instructions to vote often, and at the highest possible rating. Campaigns are organized for this purpose. Hell, I'm sure you've seen it--I have it, for a variety of games.

So unless the rated game is so incredibly bad that almost no enthusiasm exists for it (PoR II was a startling example), any reasonable, critically minded votes are swamped by the fanboys and fangirls who gush that the latest, newest (fill in the blank) is the best ever.

That you like it and have good reasons for doing so is fine with me, and I accept 'em; I know that you have a critical sense. But I'd hesitate in giving much credence to Gamespot's reader polls.

Rant mode off. :D ;)
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Postby Ned Flanders » Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:52 am

I'd have to vote with both Andrinor and fable. I find the game interesting but repetitive. I enjoy playing it, the graphics and sound are superb. Combat is interesting with the ability to rotate the camera and play with continuous action (I've been playing BG and BG2 for years now).

It will get old rather quickly though. I see myself finishing the game in single player and then flirting with the multiplayer for a while. It doesn't have the replayability of some other games, at least for me personally.

Try the demo, if you decide you have to have it, go buy it. Otherwise, stay away from the websites with all the tips and strategies and wait six months for the price to be cut by 50%.
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Postby skywise » Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:07 pm

I dunno what all you critics like about BG2 so much :P
I found BG2 was mostly about running around looking for more incredible boring dialogue in the hope of starting a quest or finding some clue...and o my god once every 3 or 4 hours of gameplay there was actually combat :P

The combat system in DS is so much above Diablo I or II, it's not a click fest. If you get sick of the single player give the multi a shot, it's way cool :) (needs some work on the network code though). I just love those signposts telling me 'Ancient Crypt 81'.
IMHO a major shortcoming of the multiplayer is the absence of repops, long walks through previously cleared areas is sorta boring.

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Postby Ned Flanders » Thu Apr 11, 2002 3:34 pm

by skywise
I dunno what all you critics like about BG2 so much :P


We probably don't want to get into this too much here but...the interaction of NPC's was amazing. How different NPC's reacted to each other and the decisions you made in the game gave it a personality unlike any other CRPG out there.

In my opinion there was too much combat. DS is all combat, that's ok, because it is what it was reaching for.
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Postby Nightmare » Thu Apr 11, 2002 4:37 pm

Dialogue is one of the reasons I keep playing BG2.

Well, I have Diablo and Diablo 2, and I've enjoyed them, but I'm not terribly interested in this then...

Thanks all for the replies. :)
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Postby Luvian » Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:40 pm

I really Dungeon Siege. I have never been a big Fan of Diablo II, I bought both Diablo II and the extension, but almost never played them.

Dungeon Siege is a nice Hack and Slash game, but it is a lot better than Diablo II. Why?

Because:

-You can fully customise your character, and he grow according to your playing style.
-There is no loading in this game, and I mean NEVER.
-When you equip an armor or weapon, you really see it on you : Boots, gloves, helm, shield, armor,...
-Soloing the Single Player game is a lot of fun, if you ever soloed in BGII you will have lot of fun doing it in this game.
-There is a lot of Details in this game.
-When you get tired of Single Player, try Multiplayer, there is a whole different world available in Multiplayer
-Download the Editor and make your own world, or play in one created by a friend.
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Postby fable » Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:57 pm

Originally posted by skywise
I dunno what all you critics like about BG2 so much :P
I found BG2 was mostly about running around looking for more incredible boring dialogue in the hope of starting a quest or finding some clue...and o my god once every 3 or 4 hours of gameplay there was actually combat :P


Don't know what game you were playing--maybe you played it for, what, 2 hours?--because there are huge stretches of BG2 that are nothing but combat: the Druid area, the Windspear Hills, the thief quests against Bodhi, Korgan's quest for the necromantic book, the Cult of the Unseeing Eye, the whole Spellhold chapter, all of the Underdark, the Sahaugin City...you know, if you were to say the same thing about PS:T played as a mage, I'd agree with you, but not BG2. :D It offered nonstop action, in much greater variety than DS, and with much cleverer puzzles along the way. I have to say, too, I really liked the opportunity to choose among a group of quests and a range of combat/exploration zones, than just be herded in one direction (which is DS). I like that non-linear feeling in BG2. I also like the opportunity to choose sides in a major conflict--which, again, is lacking from DS, but present in BG2.

Not that DS lacks good qualities at all: it's beautiful, the skill system is sweet, spell effects are great, the music is fantastic...but it's just one, long group of hurdles in a single direction, with no choices at all. The charm wears off, all too soon, for me.

No offense to those who enjoy it. But really, it should be possible to prefer DS without badmouthing BG2 is exposing a lack of knowledge about the latter. :)
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Postby Luvian » Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:43 pm

HELLO!!

Why can't people understand that in the Multiplayer Mode, there is a whole different NON Linear world to play in. You don't even need to play it with people, just start an empty lan game if you want.

There is more to DS than just the single player game.
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Postby Kroh » Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:48 pm

Nothing anyone can say will prove the game is worth buying but I felt I needed to tell someone about DS (enough to register to do it) and pass on the chance for someone else to have the fun I had for 3 days. I played the game because some friends were and had no preconceptions about it as all I wanted was a game to meet up with old friends online and oh how I am glad someone got me to play it. Just finished the single player on normal this morning (something I highly recommend). It was a heroic, epic adventure with many wild mass battles that took me from farmer to a level 51 warrior/49 nature wiz ending up fighting a very nasty guy named Gom along with my npc army (one ended up a level 62 champion). After 20 years of gaming (with most of the last few years in online gaming) I have to say I absolutely loved it. But don't let that stop you from playing it..or the negative stuff littering the web. I think too many jumped into in on multi player or gave up too soon in single player. The game builds in intensity to the very end and is full of all kinds of equipment, spells and gold. (4million by the games end to which is now on my newly ported single player char in multi). The graphics alone showing beautiful vistas from sheer cliffs to roaring waterfalls are enough to make it worth while. But the combat (which is not repetitive..unless your in a hurry to have an uber high level character to amaze the newbies with) is exciting and fast paced (played on normal..think many are taking the easy route and getting bored). The spells are great from fireballs..shockwaves..poisoness area effect spells ect. Melee (which is I think the easiest way to get going) is full of smashes, clangs and gore with weapons oozing cold, fire, stars and a variety of other effects. Once my warrior was level 47 I dropped him back and worked on nature till the end until he was 51 in melee and 49 in nature and didn't suffer a single death (although the npcs did quite a few times..but death is no problem..sometimes just unconscious or you can ress with a scroll or a spell). The music is unbelievable (listening to it on winamp as I write this). All in all it was a great experience. Even if I tire of multiplayer..it was a blast. There, I passed it on for what it's worth.

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and finally "Kroh Baite" 51st preserver on DS.

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Postby Nocturnalist » Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:25 pm

Depends

Gaxx_Firkraag, it all depends on what kinds of games you like. If you're more inclined toward the action-oriented pseudo-RPG Diablo, then you'll probably like DS. Yes, it's a lot of combat and some dialogue with NPCs, but the graphics and the atmosphere of the dungeons offer the kind of immersion that keeps you interested.

It's not a perfect game. It's got its fair share of bugs and flaws, but I find it to be pretty enjoyable. It's nice to have added RPG features such as picking up additional party members along the way, and I also like the addition of the pack mule. Very nice.

It will draw a lot of obvious comparisons to Diablo, and it does bear some similarities, but it has more adventure/RPG elements to it than the Diablos do. It's not as technically sound as Diablo and other games, but it's nonetheless fun to play.

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Postby Nocturnalist » Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:44 pm

Gamespot reviews

One thing that gives the GameSpot reader reviews credibility is that they coincide fairly closely with the regular critic's rating as well. In this case, the game was reviewed by a veteran player of RPGs. Sure, while you can get a lot of people voting one way or another for a game to skew the end results, the GameSpot ratings jibe pretty closely with other reviews. And I find this to be true of GameSpot's reader reviews in general.

And it's pretty obvious that the results aren't loaded to favor the game, otherwise the rating would've been much higher. Given that they're pretty close to everything else I've seen, I'd say they're as reliable if not moreso than other ratings.

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Postby Quark » Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:22 am

Originally posted by skywise

The combat system in DS is so much above Diablo I or II, it's not a click fest. [/b]


Then what is it? Sit back and watch the computer play the game for you? I'd rather have a click fest.

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Postby Nightmare » Sat Apr 13, 2002 9:41 pm

Again, thank you all for the replies. :) I haven't decided whether or not I will buy this game, but I'll put it on my list (I've got other priorities: Warcraft 3, NWN, Jedi Knight 2...).
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Postby fable » Sat Apr 13, 2002 10:08 pm

Originally posted by Gaxx_Firkraag
Again, thank you all for the replies. :) I haven't decided whether or not I will buy this game, but I'll put it on my list (I've got other priorities: Warcraft 3, NWN, Jedi Knight 2...).


Watch for Morrowind. Everything I've seen really whets my appetite for this game. It has the kind of potential to really break out of the industry, rather like BG2--not that BG2 ever spawned any clones (too expensive to do well), but Morrowind may achieve that kind of potential amazement when it finally shows. I'm expecting a preview of it shortly (finally got a review lined up), and final code is due within a month after that, give or take a bit.
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Postby Andrinor » Sat Apr 13, 2002 10:14 pm

I highly recommend Jedi Knight II. I've always been an rpg fan, and up until this year BG2 was the only game I'd actually played all the way through and beaten. I got Dungeon Siege about two weeks ago and played about 25 hours of it, then got bored. I started right in on JK2 and about 40 hours later, I beat it tonight. I would definitely recommend it.

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Postby KensaiRyu » Sun Apr 14, 2002 4:13 am

I liked Dungeon Siege alot for about 20 hours, then I kind of got bored with it also...
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