Antedeluvian?

Aremah · #1 (**permalink**) 05-11-2003, 11:44 AM

I'm in the Cathedral of Flesh right now and both Christof and Wilhem have reached Methuselah status. What I'm wondering is how does the game award experience? Does it split the total into the number of coterie members (just like almost every other game), or does it just award a set amount of experience to each party member (an amount that does not change with the number of members?). I'm hoping it's the first, because soloing the game could be interesting (becoming an Antedeluvian would be great, although the 300 HP and nearly 300 Blood [including items] Christof has as a Methuselah is very nifty already). If it's the second, there's no point in doing that. Would be a shame.

Aegis · #2 (**permalink**) 05-11-2003, 01:22 PM

Ok. Two things. Firstly, an Antedeluvian is a 3rd generation childe of Caine, and one of the originals of the 13 clans, thus becoming an Antideluvian is impossible. Secondly, Christof is not a Methusalah, as a Methusalah is a 4th generation childe of Caine. Unless he was turned by an Antideluvian, he can't be a Methusalah.

As for the xp, it's been sometime since I played, so I'll try and get back to you with an answer.

Aremah · #3 (**permalink**) 05-11-2003, 01:31 PM

Trust me, I know how thing stand in P&P, but this is not P&P. In the game, the ranks (Fledgeling/Neonate/Ancillae/Elder/Methuselah/Antediluvian) are given only according to the amount of experience points attained (Methuselah is from 200,000), and have no effect on the generation displayed (in the above example - Christof is gen 9, Wilhem gen 10) or on the stats (besides giving a boost to maximum HP/Blood level). What I was asking was whether it's possible to attain the amount of experience (possibly soloing) needed for the Antedeluvian rank (300k at least, judging from the progression in the game), or whether it doesn't matter how many characters I have in a party (whether the exp per party member is always the same).

I'll try to find the answer somewhere else, but I would appreciate any help that you can offer.

Legend · #4 (**permalink**) 08-28-2003, 03:19 AM

The total amount of XP points given is not that much different among your coterie members. If Christoph kills 3 Tremere lords all by himself, the entire group gains XP. So at the end of a level, all coteriemembers have basically the same amount of points they can use for upgrading skills.

Teraniel · #5 (**permalink**) 10-27-2003, 12:19 PM

I think what he's asking is something different.

Suppose a, say, Tremere yields 100 experience points. Now, if Cristof kills this Tremere by himself, all members of the party (say three other members for example) get experience too. But do they each get 100, the maximum experience yielded by the Tremere, or does each party member, including Cristof, get 25 experiece points?

If the latter were so, a player could let all other members of the party die and solitarily collect all the experience for himself, as dead members don't receive experience, I don't think anyway.

If the former were so, I guess it would be a waste of time.

Legend · #6 (**permalink**) 10-27-2003, 12:29 PM

Not sure, i can't find anything about that. There must be some difference, but not all that much.

Teraniel · #7 (**permalink**) 10-27-2003, 10:01 PM

Difference between what? I'm confused . . .

Legend · #8 (**permalink**) 10-28-2003, 02:05 AM

Difference in the amount of XP each member of the group gets at the end of a chapter. There's never much difference in how much each member gets, maybe a little, but almost unnoticable. And i'm pretty sure that in my case Christoph does most of the killing, but the others gain just as much as he does.

Teraniel · #9 (**permalink**) 10-28-2003, 07:22 PM

So then I would suppose that the amount of experience attained by the coterie members is not a fraction of the whole experience yielded by the target enemy but in fact the whole amount of the target enemy, awarded to each individual coterie member. . . .

Do I follow, or am I lost?

Legend · #10 (**permalink**) 10-29-2003, 02:39 AM

No, i guess that's pretty accurate. Also, did you know if you find a book with a new discipline, that if you have one of your coteriemembers read it, Christoph gains the same discipline once you finish the chapter ? I used to give all the books with new disciplines to Christoph first, but that's not necessary, since he gains it anyway at the end of the chapter. So instead you have two persons who can do new tricks.

Teraniel · #11 (**permalink**) 10-30-2003, 08:40 AM

That's wicked! I didn't know that. I've been giving everything to Christof too.

Where can I find Call Lightning?

Legend · #12 (**permalink**) 10-30-2003, 12:39 PM

I think the "call lighning" spell is in a book you can find in Ardan's chantry. Either there, or in the Teutonic knights base.

Teraniel · #13 (**permalink**) 10-31-2003, 09:06 AM

The first time I played the game I remember getting Call Lightning somewhere, and I gave it to Serena. Eventually I learned Call Lightning Lvl 3 or something. I eventually encountered Vozhd in Castle Vyserhad. He kicked my backside several times. I didn't really know how to handle him ...

At one point Christof and Wilhem were torpored, and only little Serena was left. So I ran away, up the stairs a bit, to think about my next move. I discovered that fat Vozhd can't fit through the door to come and whack me! So I just used Call Lightning to fry him ... at least a couple of times, because I ran out of blood. I checked inventory to see what I had to refill my blood: Precious little.. . .

The only thing I could think of doing (without quitting and starting over, because I was too proud) was to pass blood items from Wilhem to Serena, since he was equipped with plenty of bottles and blood stones and so forth. But he torpored in the room with Vozhd. I had no scroll of awaken, so I had to run in to where he was to be able to pass over inventory! It was like he was giving me stuff from the beyond. Anyway, I had to run in and out while not getting hit, but I managed to survive. I continued to do it this way for a while, using Call Lightning. I used some Fireballs too, since I knew that spell to 4th level. And lo, I actually killed the bastard!

Twas my first happy experience with a single discipline being the deciding factor of a battle. I guess I could've used Prison of Ice or some such thing, but I didn't know about these things back then (last month).

And to think it was a real waste, because Serena dies anyway, so I cheated Christof out of a whack of experience. Meh.

Teraniel · #14 (**permalink**) 10-31-2003, 09:09 AM

Didn't mean to change the topic so much. Sorry, guys.

I like to imagine that I'm entertaining. . . .

Legend · #15 (**permalink**) 10-31-2003, 11:42 AM

The "call lightning" spell is from the same discipline as "firestorm", you should have used that instead. The Vozhd would have been history after casting it 6 or 7 times.