How do you know which points you spend help your character? Discovery?

So what about skills. I played the CE and when you had too little skill in an armor you got a penalty. So you knew the target level to increase.

I know nobody knows this yet, but I thought a good discoveries thread was in order.

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So feel free to report skills that do or don't benefit from increasing.

Yeh, but blast it, I don't like the fact that in MMXII you can only repair while trading with someone. Or am I overlooking something? Also, when you first pick up something it shows unidentified, but in inventory it's already identified. I do have a healthy identify level though.

Identify is useless: I have never put a point in it, and everything is automatically ID'd.
Repair increases the number of times/amount repaired with a Repair kit. They're rare drops and sold in stores, but only 1/store. Boooh! Hiss!
Armour doesn't do anything, except for Rank 1 granting the ability to wear the armour.
Weapons need only 1 point to equip, but more points add to the Parry Rating and/or Strike Rating. The level raises by use of the weapon.
Scribe is broken.
Bash is incredibly useful if you aren't a Rogue.
Shield is useless.

Check the link to the thread in the official fora I posted in the Early Info thread.

I think shield is 1 pt. My rogue can't equip a shield. I expect if I was rogue/mage that I would never have the shield option? Geussing that fighter adept get the skill.

Excellent information and I will look at the link.



Do you have any idea where we should 'dump' all our skillpoints. I've raised: nether, sword (parry like you say), parry, locks, traps, inspect. Oh and bargain. Not sure where the dump skill would be. It really makes a challenge to have 2/3 of skills 1 pt wonders without much info to guide. The manual has a copy of CE stuff rather than new stuff.

Don't raise weapons with skillpoints! They raise naturally from use!
I'd dump points in Nether, and save some. Your coming classes will open new skills.

I haven't bought THAT much. There simply isn't much to buy.

So do you need to buy ketals, books, and crystals? I was unsure about that?

Buying spells is useful if you aren't a Mage or Adept, as they're the only ones that get spells naturally, IIRC, by leveling. Fighters & Rogues get access to Rune & Nether respectively, as do Adepts & Mages, but they have to find/buy the spells.

Mage was my second class, and I didn't get any spells automatically from that. I think I got the Fighter/Rogue part from the interview, apparently I was wrong.
Looks like only primary classes get spells automatically?

BTW, Fighters & Rogues only have access to Rune & Nether, right?

How do you learn your second classes spells? Books/crystals etc?

An aside: if you have 10 magic missile books is there a difference from having only 1 magic missile book? Ketals, stones, crystals too?

Yes, you buy/find your second class magic, or your class' secundary magic.
I haven't noticed any difference with several copies of a spell. They just disappear if you have the spell already.

Hmm so you cannot sell them I take it? I found some use for money. You can buy scrolls and frenzy potions. I haven't tried the cooldown on scrolls or if you can use a magic which you have no class eg mage/fighter scroll of divine intervention. And with that in mind I haven't tested if you can sell x item and then make that appear in the inventory eg sell a frenzy potion to arms of argus and then buy back.

If all of those things are true then bargain is very good.

You can't sell excess copies. Sell & buyback does NOT work, sadly. It would solve the stupid equipment degradation.

What's more you cannot buy a 2nd class scroll and then learn the spell. You have to find it. For example my rogue/adept took rogue first. I bought some star crystals and they never appeared in my inventory!

Text in red is wrong information. I did learn the star crystals, it just didn't go into my inventory in the interum. Is there a way to get more hotkeys?

The merchant (tested with the celestial order in fargrove) has a repair symbol in their sales menu at the bottom left. Hit C to bring up your gear AND the sales window and then drag and point the repair icon from the sales menu.

You can also use a repair kit from inventory: rightclick on the kit, then left click on the gear, rightclick again on the kit to get rid of the repaircursor. Sadly, Repair kits do not restock.
Gear at 0 durability does not disappear, though.

How do you use a bow? I try to use Q but it doesn't work if: dual wield, sword and board, onehanded, or no weapon. I can't drop a bow into the main slot.