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Old 03-04-2005, 10:13 AM
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For all the bollixing up of the story at the end (from Lucasarts rushing the job), it is still a far more compelling story with far deeper characters than in the original KotoR.

I must admit, I enjoyed the way the story was told in KotOR2 much more than I did the first one. There was perpertually a sense of mystery, and pieces of the puzzle were slowly revealed. The NPCs were quite deep, and each - from Atton to T3- carried a bit of mystery in themselves (though, I must admit, I found many of the NPCs in KoTOR deep, as well.)

With that said, I thought that while these storytelling techniques employed in KoTOR2 were quite good, the game ended up feeling very rushed. In particular, while the NPCs seemed quite deep, they also felt unactualized. Meaning, it was frustrating that your NPCs ran out of things to say to you when you're on the verge of getting to know them, had no NPC specific quests (though the first game quests were really horrible). Moreover, while each was somewhat interesting, the NPCs really cease being important once you recruit them. They may have a twinge of mystery to them, but if you ignored them the rest of the trip, it wouldn't matter. It would have been nice to see their storylines play out in some depth either independently from the main quest or in conjunction with it. Similarly, they didn't really craft a compelling romance in KoTOR2. The ones presented in the first game were much more compelling.

Similarly, the worlds felt much smaller in KotOR2, with the exception of Nar Shadda. Now, perhaps, thats a matter of perception. All I know I was very dissappointed by how small Korriban was, for instance.

Likewise, the game, I think, dissappointed many of us because it was anticlimatic. We had high expectations for the encounters with the Sith Lords (who were much more interesting villains than Malak), and they weren't particularly difficult or, more importantly, interesting. You really do not get to know the two Sith Lords very well, at all. More cutscenes featuring them, or something along those lines, might have aided in that.

Likewise, I had high expectations for the end game scenario. <Pseuo-Spoilers> Meaning, I hoped NPCs would have roles and stories in that, perhaps I hoped for a final city or at least a chance to re-explore Telos, etc. The last few things you do are simply too strung together, and lacking in substance in places.

So, all things considered, while I liked the second game, it lacked the fine-tuning of the first game. More importantly, it seems the end of the first game was more carefully planned out or implemented than the end of the second game. The post-collecting Jedi Masters portion of the game is just really poorly developed, in my estimate.

Finally, I didn't realize it was possible to develop a game that made one of the Final Fantasies or the first KOTOR look difficult.... I'll let that go for now...

Anyway, to the post at hand, I sincerely suspect that a 3rd game is in the works. The ending of this one seemed to imply that this was at least a trilogy, in my estimate (in good Star Wars fashion). That and I'm sure the product will be mad successful. So its just good money sense. I look forward to a third game, though I do hope it resolves some of these issues I've been complaining about. Still, Obsidian did a fine job with KotOR2, but I can't help but feel the deadline weakened a potentially phenomenal game, turning it into an "okay" role playing game.
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:15 AM
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Kotor 3 will be the final kotor!!!!
It's will serve as a conclusion on an existing storyline!!Kreia reveals a bit in the end of kotor 2. Revan and the exile had a purpose for the final instalment of the saga. After kotor 3 lucasarts will produce another 3 part rpg serie, but that saga will be set in another timeline and will have another name!!
Fine with me .
Since there seems to be a lot of complaining about TSL I just want to ad my gripe. It really annoys me the ways they come up with to make you stay on a planet once you have landed there. In the beginning of the game your ship gets shot down at least FOUR times. Come ON! Gr...Overally a very good game though...
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Old 03-04-2005, 03:57 PM
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To answer the original question, Obsidian has been developing KOTOR3 for months now in anticipation of KOTOR2 being a hit. So yes, there will definitely be a sequel to KOTOR2.

Presumably, Kreia's dialogue regarding Revan has something to do with KOTOR3's plot...
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Old 03-04-2005, 04:16 PM
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To answer the original question, Obsidian has been developing KOTOR3 for months now in anticipation of KOTOR2 being a hit. So yes, there will definitely be a sequel to KOTOR2.

Presumably, Kreia's dialogue regarding Revan has something to do with KOTOR3's plot...
I am just curious: How do you know?
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Old 03-04-2005, 05:28 PM
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it's common sense. Why would Obsidian want to go out of production? Why lose the money they need? And it's obvious the 2nd game left more than a hundred gaps and questions that will be answered in kotor 3.
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Old 03-04-2005, 07:43 PM
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hmm oki sounds good, but i want to beat Tulak Hord in a Lightsaber match. so that era would be good.
I definately agree there.
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Old 03-05-2005, 02:48 PM
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Yeah you're mostly right. I can say I really hate Atton, but that's a good thing (because if he wasn't built up with a solid background, I would merely be annoyed him and have no strong feelings about him). In that regard, KOTOR2 has a lot of improvements (and it is safe to to compare it with PS:T, though PS:T will always have that special place in my mind at least).

The big disappointment for me was the great characters you killed though. (getting spoilerish...) The thing is, with a character like Malak, you don't need a strong background. He betrayed Revan (in similar Sith fashion) and wanted to rule over the known galaxy. But when you have a dark lord like Darth Nihilus, who doesn't actually want to rule anything but instead wants to drain the galaxy of all life, the classic "bad guy" character assumption doesn't work him. So I needed some more light shed on his story.

Maybe I'm just getting too critical because of years of gaming...
You are right about Darth Nihilus but I'm sure that there will be kotor 3 and we will find out more about him and probably some other characters like Revan, maybe Atris or maybe even Bastila. Darth Nihilus might be one of those real Sith. Remember what Kreia said about Revan and where he had gone.
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Old 03-05-2005, 04:35 PM
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Sion might have been one of those real Sith too.
Then again so could Kreia.
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Old 03-05-2005, 08:51 PM
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I disagree.Kriea could not be a sith.She was just betrayed so many times and stuff.There were so many countless times that I just wanted to leave her behind for the maalras and boma.Sion/Nihlius(whatever)could be sith...So much lust and yearning inside of them.I also agree with Jon.There should be more backround on the charecters like atton,Mira and Hanharr(whatever).


But nihilus I always thought to be an Uber Sith and Sion as well.I think that atton should have more backround besides a "Jedi killer" and what not.Visas was almost fine as she was,Just mor options to talk about besides her master,Homeworld,Force sight and evrything else.I think that the charecters were all to rushed and to eager to join you.We should really get to know them...If Iwere an Exile I wouldn't want some whinning half jedi/Half sith hag or some idiot useless scoundral following me around.Those are some of my thoughts on the game.
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Old 03-06-2005, 01:36 PM
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i hope they make a third one, as long as they dont rush it like they did with this one.
Right after the game ended i sat there with a feeling of disappointment because of all the holes and unanswered questions in the story, plus it wasnt as long as kotor1. I spent almost 45 hours on kotor1 with playing all quests and i havent used more than 30 on the second...

But i still hope they will keep making kotor games or at least games in the same spirit as kotor.
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:06 PM
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Kotor3

YEs THer is a Kotor 3 and some ppl might not believ it until they see it but from everyting ive read i know ther is

1 of the main things is that Bioware corp. (creator of Kotor 1) is bak on doin Kotor 3 so u know its gonna be good, they have been working on it for months now and will be out for NExt Gen COnsoles in 2006 or Early 2007!

So Some Possible releas dates-

December for Holidays (next gen consoles comin November)
E3 ( 2007 )

To me thats enough and all ther is now is to wait for kotor 3
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Old 07-18-2006, 05:58 PM
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Without any official announcement, there is no KoTOR III. Everything right now hearsay and rumors. Considering that this thread's usefulness has expired, I am closing it.
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