"True Sith" or Return of Revan

[TheCrazdPariah]

Originally Posted by Sithlord1989

Yes thats true but the lure of the dark side is ever present especially for the strongest,and most arrogant of the jedi.Revan is no exception to that rule.I think that it would do him good to learn from the true sith he would become more powerful than he was the last time as Darth Revan.

You just really want him to turn to the dark side don't you. Hate to burst your bubble but remember he's already fought back against the influence on malachor and survived. He's the last hope for the republic and he knows this, besides he won't give up bastila waiting in bed just to gain power. Also he's at his most powerful, i believe, if he is to use both sides, as stated earlier, and fight them using both. If he truly was working for the good of the galaxy as a "Sith Lord", technically this is not the correct title, then he would be about neutral or something, working for the greater good. O and incidentally i don't think george lucas is going to allow him to turn to the dark side again. Cheap shot i know but true. Your turn.

[Sithlord1989]

Originally Posted by TheCrazdPariah

You just really want him to turn to the dark side don't you. Hate to burst your bubble but remember he's already fought back against the influence on malachor and survived. He's the last hope for the republic and he knows this, besides he won't give up bastila waiting in bed just to gain power. Also he's at his most powerful, i believe, if he is to use both sides, as stated earlier, and fight them using both. If he truly was working for the good of the galaxy as a "Sith Lord", technically this is not the correct title, then he would be about neutral or something, working for the greater good. O and incidentally i don't think george lucas is going to allow him to turn to the dark side again. Cheap shot i know but true. Your turn.

Well you may be right and maybe Im just hopeful but there have been jedi who have turn their backs on the republic before,take anakin he attack the jedi temple itself and killed his best freinds.

[TheCrazdPariah]

Originally Posted by Sithlord1989

Well you may be right and maybe Im just hopeful but there have been jedi who have turn their backs on the republic before,take anakin he attack the jedi temple itself and killed his best freinds.

Good point but then again Anakin's a little different story than most jedis. He was not even supposed to become one because he had so much hatred within him and he was already halfway there. His massacre of the sand people was a step there and the influence of darth sidious just accelerated the process. I realize that revan also had similar trials but he willingly turned to the dark side. Anakin fell but he didn't realize it until he was too far gone. Revan has pride and he has anger yes but he is far more stable than anakin is. Remember the canon has reven being a good guy so he is much more in control now. I may also be too hopeful but i don't really know of anyone, alive or dead, who could defeat revan if he turned so creating a game with him evil would just be strange. Your move.

[Sithlord1989]

Originally Posted by TheCrazdPariah

Good point but then again Anakin's a little different story than most jedis. He was not even supposed to become one because he had so much hatred within him and he was already halfway there. His massacre of the sand people was a step there and the influence of darth sidious just accelerated the process. I realize that revan also had similar trials but he willingly turned to the dark side. Anakin fell but he didn't realize it until he was too far gone. Revan has pride and he has anger yes but he is far more stable than anakin is. Remember the canon has reven being a good guy so he is much more in control now. I may also be too hopeful but i don't really know of anyone, alive or dead, who could defeat revan if he turned so creating a game with him evil would just be strange. Your move.

The answer is something you said"He has pride"his weakness.For a jedi there can be no such weaknesses but there are and when the jedi tells the person to not have such fealings they get upset, because they have to take away a part of themselves just to learn power,and then the road to the DS is a short.Oh and speaking of anakin the jedi always held him back if they would have had him train with the more advance skills at an earlier age he could have killed count dookoo the first time but no,however when he was with sidius he was never held back.Sidius freed him from the trappings of the jedi, sidious became a dear freind who showed Anakin the true nater of the force.He rebelled many times such as the time when he went to see his mother on tatooine he got too see her before she died and got his just revenge. The sith on the other hand only asks you to grow stronger.

[TheCrazdPariah]

Originally Posted by Sithlord1989

The answer is something you said"He has pride"his weakness.For a jedi there can be no such weaknesses but there are and when the jedi tells the person to not have such fealings they get upset, because they have to take away a part of themselves just to learn power,and then the road to the DS is a short.Oh and speaking of anakin the jedi always held him back if they would have had him train with the more advance skills at an earlier age he could have killed count dookoo the first time but no,however when he was with sidius he was never held back.Sidius freed him from the trappings of the jedi, sidious became a dear freind who showed Anakin the true nater of the force.He rebelled many times such as the time when he went to see his mother on tatooine he got too see her before she died and got his just revenge. The sith on the other hand only asks you to grow stronger.

Jeez and I thought we were almost done here. If you remember i never said that pride was a weakness. I don't like either side remember. I don't advocate the strangling rules of the order but i also don't advocate the uncontrolled anger of the darkside. But you put too much faith in the dark side. Teaching Anakin advanced techniques is like giving a toddler a rocket launcher. He is not ready to deal with it. NO matter how powerful you may perceive him to be, he would not be able to use these to the fullest and it may destroy him. Throwing powers left and right takes a toll on the body, as you can see from darth sidious, and remember the dark side screws with your body as it is. Count dooku has much more experience munipulating the force and i do not believe anakin could take him on the first time. There is a purpose to holding him back, even the Sith show some restraint when teaching techniques. Besides when big bad anakin was fully on the dark side, he got whooped by his mentor because of his arrogance and then by his half-trained son using the light side.

[Sithlord1989]

Originally Posted by TheCrazdPariah

Jeez and I thought we were almost done here. If you remember i never said that pride was a weakness. I don't like either side remember. I don't advocate the strangling rules of the order but i also don't advocate the uncontrolled anger of the darkside. But you put too much faith in the dark side. Teaching Anakin advanced techniques is like giving a toddler a rocket launcher. He is not ready to deal with it. NO matter how powerful you may perceive him to be, he would not be able to use these to the fullest and it may destroy him. Throwing powers left and right takes a toll on the body, as you can see from darth sidious, and remember the dark side screws with your body as it is. Count dooku has much more experience munipulating the force and i do not believe anakin could take him on the first time. There is a purpose to holding him back, even the Sith show some restraint when teaching techniques. Besides when big bad anakin was fully on the dark side, he got whooped by his mentor because of his arrogance and then by his half-trained son using the light side.

Darth sidious was old and got hit by his own lightning on purpose to turn anakin.Also the whole point of becoming a Sith is to gain more power than their master and kill them even the sith masters realize this and would teach the child all they know when they are young so by the time they are Anakins age they are at least as strong as their masters.

[TheCrazdPariah]

Originally Posted by Sithlord1989

Darth sidious was old and got hit by his own lightning on purpose to turn anakin.Also the whole point of becoming a Sith is to gain more power than their master and kill them even the sith masters realize this and would teach the child all they know when they are young so by the time they are Anakins age they are at least as strong as their masters.

As much fun it is to argue sith dogma, this conversation is starting to get out of hand in this thread. Would you rather continue this on another thread where we could also hear from other people. Just a thought. Btw, if the students always try to surpass the master, why is it that more often than not, jedi's beat sith. I mean, luke beat anakin, obi beat anakin, revan beat malak, the exile beat several "sith lords". For all their vaunted powers, they often get beat by jedi in the end. So even with a head start, the most powerful sith i know usually are fallen jedi. Don't know about darth sidious but he was beaten by anakin, so that doesn't really count, and then by luke. So although they are fallen, without a head start they are superior to regular sith because of experience and knowledge of both sides. O and a rediculous connection to the force.

[Sithlord1989]

Originally Posted by TheCrazdPariah

As much fun it is to argue sith dogma, this conversation is starting to get out of hand in this thread. Would you rather continue this on another thread where we could also hear from other people. Just a thought. Btw, if the students always try to surpass the master, why is it that more often than not, jedi's beat sith. I mean, luke beat anakin, obi beat anakin, revan beat malak, the exile beat several "sith lords". For all their vaunted powers, they often get beat by jedi in the end. So even with a head start, the most powerful sith i know usually are fallen jedi. Don't know about darth sidious but he was beaten by anakin, so that doesn't really count, and then by luke. So although they are fallen, without a head start they are superior to regular sith because of experience and knowledge of both sides. O and a rediculous connection to the force.

First off luke didnt beat anakin he came close,but anakin could have let the emporer kill luke and got his arm repaired,but he chose to save luke.Also the jedi always win because they usualy travel in numbers.5 against one doesnt seem to fair does it?

[TheCrazdPariah]

Originally Posted by Sithlord1989

First off luke didnt beat anakin he came close,but anakin could have let the emporer kill luke and got his arm repaired,but he chose to save luke.Also the jedi always win because they usualy travel in numbers.5 against one doesnt seem to fair does it?

Well if you want to play, then i hardly think sending dozens of sith assassins to kill a couple of jedi is fair either. And more often than not, the major sith lords are challenged by just one guy. Reven took on malak by himself, and malak had to suck life force from jedi. Malak would have eaten the floor if he didn't have those jedi. Also your poster boy grew a concience at the end. That doesn't really help your side that much. Don't forget also that on the Star Forge, Malak was sending legions of robots, sith troopers, and dark jedi to stop reven and what two other guys. If you think the jedi play unfair, have you even looked at your side.

[Sithlord1989]

Originally Posted by TheCrazdPariah

Well if you want to play, then i hardly think sending dozens of sith assassins to kill a couple of jedi is fair either. And more often than not, the major sith lords are challenged by just one guy. Reven took on malak by himself, and malak had to suck life force from jedi. Malak would have eaten the floor if he didn't have those jedi. Also your poster boy grew a concience at the end. That doesn't really help your side that much. Don't forget also that on the Star Forge, Malak was sending legions of robots, sith troopers, and dark jedi to stop reven and what two other guys. If you think the jedi play unfair, have you even looked at your side.

Absolutly I have looked at them,first off the jedi stormed the star forge and it was a major battle so that doesnt count plus malak sent three sith at a time which if you remember was often met with three opponents,because anybody dumb enough to walk around alone on kashyk,korriban,or tatooine ought not be playing the game.Remember when bastila took revan from the ship she was with 2-3 other jedi.

[TheCrazdPariah]

Originally Posted by Sithlord1989

Absolutly I have looked at them,first off the jedi stormed the star forge and it was a major battle so that doesnt count plus malak sent three sith at a time which if you remember was often met with three opponents,because anybody dumb enough to walk around alone on kashyk,korriban,or tatooine ought not be playing the game.Remember when bastila took revan from the ship she was with 2-3 other jedi.

Dude i guess you have a semi valid point. However bastila and the jedi had to fight their through many dark jedi and soldiers. I harldly think that reven would run the entire ship with only a couple of guys. And as far as the star forge was concerned, he was sending an army of guys at reven. Malak could care less about the surrounding jedi, he was sending droids and soldiers to try and slow down reven. Too lazy to look for any other battles between jedi and sith right now.

[Sithlord1989]

Originally Posted by TheCrazdPariah

Dude i guess you have a semi valid point. However bastila and the jedi had to fight their through many dark jedi and soldiers. I harldly think that reven would run the entire ship with only a couple of guys. And as far as the star forge was concerned, he was sending an army of guys at reven. Malak could care less about the surrounding jedi, he was sending droids and soldiers to try and slow down reven. Too lazy to look for any other battles between jedi and sith right now.

Look we could go back and forth on this till the end of time and it wouldtn solve anything so lets just drop it,okay

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Sithlord1989

Look we could go back and forth on this till the end of time and it wouldtn solve anything so lets just drop it,okay

Good Decision guys...
Maybe I should propose a debate award ....
Good points both sides, well written, and no flaming....

[TheCrazdPariah]

Yeah as much fun this was, im running out of arguements. So thanks for being such a worthy adversary. Pm any time if you want to continue this or just to talk about anything else. Until then, see ya.

[Ciglana]

I don't want to me hated by this community or something but I wanted to say something...
I am a big Star Wars fan and as one,I tried to learn some things that happened before the films.
Star Wars history is really big...I mean,KOTOR series are about the Jedi Civil War and stuff,which happened cca. 3000 years BBY(Before Battle of Yavin).
What my point is,some guy here said that KOTOR III should explain what happened before the Phantom Menace!That's imposible,Phantom Menace happened roughly 50 years BBY,so guys...there's a great Star Wars site,Star Wars wiki actually,called Wookiepedia.Go there and learn something about the Star Wars history.
Thank you