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View Poll Results: Should women be allowed into postions for combat? | |
yes, they (we) have what it takes
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no, they (we) have to many emotional responces
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hey thats their (our) call so shut up
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02-08-2005, 09:35 PM
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| | | @Demortis: No need to explain further, I understand it's something you have choosen to swear.
@WK: Gimme the link to the published article/s and I'll demonstrate that you have most likely drawn premature conclusion based on subjective wishes for endless rows of women helplessly dropping their clothes before you.
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02-08-2005, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by C Elegans @Demortis: No need to explain further, I understand it's something you have choosen to swear.
@WK: Gimme the link to the published article/s and I'll demonstrate that you have most likely drawn premature conclusion based on subjective wishes for endless rows of women helplessly dropping their clothes before you. | it's only been a few weeks since i've seen a row of women dropping their clothes in front of me, but that is not going to stop me from wishing for it again...and stop trying to ruin my baiting....
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02-08-2005, 09:41 PM
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| | | Thank you CE for understanding this fact.
@WK: i would like the link as well.
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02-08-2005, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Demortis
@WK: i would like the link as well.
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02-08-2005, 09:47 PM
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| | | and this is suppose to help how? this is just a link to the main site
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02-08-2005, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Demortis and this is suppose to help how? this is just a link to the main site | i was making a snide subversive snipe about something by giving that link...sort of an understated version of kant's familiar tribute to shakespeare in a way.
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02-08-2005, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Witch King i was making a snide subversive snipe about something by giving that link...sort of an understated version of kant's familiar tribute to shakespeare in a way. | To translate: He was taking the piss.
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02-08-2005, 10:33 PM
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| | | Personally I've found women can be quite capable of violence, it's just usually their motivation and triggers for such acts are different than most guys. The only reasons I can think of for women to have a liability in a military setting is their little monthly problems. Two of my ex's are pretty much miserable and unable to get out of bed at that point each month, and if they were caught in a battle situation like that, they'd die.
Other than that, I see absolutely no reason they should be kept out. I've got a nasty temper, and I do my best to avoid violence but there are occasions I have been pushed to being violent before unfortunately. Guys run, girls aren't afraid. That, in and of itself is one thing. Not only that, I've seen girls put a serious hurting on guys twice their size before. My ex who I have about 6' in height and 100 lbs in weight on her put me up against a wall to kiss me before she left. She wasn't pissed and wanting to hurt me, just felt like it. They aren't weaker in any way, just generally don't bother to do the same things as guys and therefore develop different things.
A girl wanting to join the army or whatever, I say let her. Chances are standing in the way will end up having her prove you wrong and landing you on the seat of your pants wondering what hit you from my experiences with determined females. I've more respect for what women can do than men to be honest. They generally work harder, more efficiently and smarter than men from what I've seen.
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02-09-2005, 02:06 AM
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| | | Well more women than men are able to multitask so it would make them ideally suited for a command position where they need to direct multiple forces in differing situations. And women just like men fight hard for a cause they beleive in so really there is no difference. The only problem could be some of the stupid men or women forming unsuitable emotional attachements which could pose a threat in battle.
Of course women in warfare is a good idea!
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02-09-2005, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Macleod1701 Well more women than men are able to multitask so it would make them ideally suited for a command position where they need to direct multiple forces in differing situations. | Actually, this is not correct according to the many scientific studies that has investigated gender differences (or rather, gender likeness) in cognitive functions. Performance in "multitasking", or working memory as it is called in cognitive science, shows no gender difference.
At group level, women have faster visual perception and faster motoric response to visual perceptions, so based on gender differences, more women than men would be suitable as fighting pilots. |
02-09-2005, 02:59 AM
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Human=All humans are different no matter what sex they are!
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02-09-2005, 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by C Elegans Actually, this is not correct according to the many scientific studies that has investigated gender differences (or rather, gender likeness) in cognitive functions. Performance in "multitasking", or working memory as it is called in cognitive science, shows no gender difference.
At group level, women have faster visual perception and faster motoric response to visual perceptions, so based on gender differences, more women than men would be suitable as fighting pilots. | Ah my mistake, I did know about the pilot thing. I've never flown with a woman as yet though and it wouldn't be as a fighter pilot (bloody bad eyesight). There are more and more female pilots going into the military but like most things nowadays human ability only goes so far before technology surpasses it.
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02-09-2005, 03:01 AM
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| | | I see no problem neither from a psycological or physiological (spellings?) view point as to why women shouldn't be allowed in combat if they so choose.
The only problem I can see is with the perception society has about women being weaker, and that it is demoralizing to men soliders and the generel population to see women injured or killed in combat. But that is a problem of society as a whole and its perception; and has nothing really to do with women.
Let them fight if they so chooses, they are as capable as men in my view. |
02-09-2005, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Xandax The only problem I can see is with the perception society has about women being weaker, and that it is demoralizing to see women injured or killed. But that is a problem of society as a whole and not with women. | But is not also demoralising to see men injured and killed? Agree with what you mean though.
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02-09-2005, 03:08 AM
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| | | I think Demortis said that women haven't been fighting in wars or joining the army except recently. I believe the reason for that is that women were generaly accepted to be weaker and didn't really have any rights in olden days. Wives were often no more than slaves "Firstly women are property of their fathers and then to their husbands" that would be either the Romans or Greeks, my memory has always been a bit muddled.
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