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05-28-2006, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimaera182
War generates conflict and is itself a result of conflict; it isn't conflict itself. I know this. And yes, I do mean both evolution and technologically. Selective pressure, such as climate, is a conflict in itself. How an animal adapts to a climate change and solves the question of surviving such a change is a conflict.
| How is climate change a conflict?  Certainly, it is perhaps the foremost problem currently confronting the human species, and yes we can associate climate change with conflict, but how is it a conflict in and of itself? Ditto for species adaption, I don't think it is inherantly a conflict, not necessarily. Quote:
...during WWII, when Germany's atrocities--and those of Japan--were made known to the world, we learned what we considered true evil and we fought it. We achieved a sense of triumphing over evil, and saving lives--<snip>
We came face to face with what mankind was truly capable of, and we overcame it. Such would not have been possible without conflict.
| By dropping atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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05-28-2006, 06:08 PM
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I'll just break in here...the disbanding of German control over concentration camps was no wondrous phenanominon. This was war. Plain and simple. Allied forces out gunned Axis forces in WW2 in order to see to it this happened. Granted, if war was not a problem in the history this would not have happened, any of it. However, war is something that occurs when some ideal is forced on some group of humans that isn't accepted and is met with aggressive refusal.
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05-28-2006, 06:09 PM
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Chimaera: I'll post more later, but can you explain to me how on earth you mean that climate change is "conflict"? If your opinions are based on the idea that "war is conflict, climate change is also conflict, everything is conflict and thus everything good (as well as everything else) must come from conflict" the discussion is non-sensical. Can you explain to me how you define conflict,and also give and example of what is not conflict according to your defintion?
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Originally Posted by C Elegans First, it a misunderstanding of human behaviour to believe that war and conflict are synonymous. War is one violent strategy to solve conflicts - there are many other strategies to solve conflicts. Furthermore, it would be interesting if you @Chimaera could develop you reasoning that "Conflict is what drives the world, both in nature and humanity. Drive how? Do you mean evolutionary or do you mean technical development or something else? For instance, evolution is "driven" by selection pressure, which can consist of many things but the major factor is probably climate.
Second, if you @Chimaera mean that "we wouldn't be where we are today" without war, I certainly question two basic assumptions behind this statement.
1. What is so good with where we are today that would not have been achived without war?
2. What exactly do you think mankind has achieved to date, and which of these achievements would have been impossible or severely hampered by war, or conflict for that matter.
Sure the WWII and the Cold War competition between the US and the Sovient Union led to technological advancement that gave us nuclear weapons and put man on the moon. I don't however think this is an advantage to mankind, or has any value as an achievement. Do you?
In my opinion, great achivements are those which have made the world a better place in terms of decreasing suffering. However, to take some examples, the discoveries that led to vaccination and antibiotics were not at all related to war or conflict. I don't know of any discovery that has decreased suffering significantly that was developed dependent on war or violent conflict solving. | War is for the weak, personally. There is a difference hitting someone in the face verse going to war, if you know what I am saying. I could NEVER agree with a war because most of them are over very stupid reasons and are a HUGE waste of money. People think tech gets better with every war but that's not true. The government only releases that tech at those times.
But my point about conflict was it can not be lived without unless you removed all the variables. See that x-files episode with the sexy genie.
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05-29-2006, 04:13 AM
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Hmm, conflict seems the wrong word but to me another one applies.
Change/movement. War as a lot of other things generates changes and from that comes movement in different areas, including prosperity of some sort, including the human condition. Without change and movement ...
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05-30-2006, 08:30 AM
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05-30-2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Maharlika U2's Bono's voice.
| THIS guy came to Brazil and started talking all sweet about our president, who is really not a good cash administrator. Bah! So much for social causes.
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05-30-2006, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Luis Antonio THIS guy came to Brazil and started talking all sweet about our president, who is really not a good cash administrator. Bah! So much for social causes. | One can have talent and still have little to no brains at all. Why, take Britney Spears, for example. Oh, wait, bad example, she has no talent. 
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05-30-2006, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimaera182 One can have talent and still have little to no brains at all. Why, take Britney Spears, for example. Oh, wait, bad example, she has no talent. | *coughbonohasnonetoocough*
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05-30-2006, 07:51 PM
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lmao @ Luis I was gonna imply the same thing, actually, but figured someone would get offended if I did.  Whereas, Britney Spears' ineptitude is universal, of course. lol
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I'll step in again. "Talent" for Britney Spears is purely of a physical nature in the minds of most fans, mmk? She is wretched, spoiled brat, with mediocre talent in dancing and singing who happens to be attractive to a large number of people. For reasons I cannot fathom....
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05-30-2006, 07:58 PM
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@Chim: Bono is not a total loss as a singer, but he's not as good as he was in the days of Zoo TV Imo. And I prefer hardcore, so his style is like hypocrisy to me.
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05-30-2006, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Magrus I'll step in again. "Talent" for Britney Spears is purely of a physical nature in the minds of most fans, mmk? She is wretched, spoiled brat, with mediocre talent in dancing and singing who happens to be attractive to a large number of people. For reasons I cannot fathom.... | Oh, c'mon, why was that step-in even necessary? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Luis Antonio @Chim: Bono is not a total loss as a singer, but he's not as good as he was in the days of Zoo TV Imo. And I prefer hardcore, so his style is like hypocrisy to me. | Aww, c'mon now. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions; I figured I'd settle on the mindset of the anti-Spears brigade, who I figured was a majority on this board, whereas I wasn't going to comment on Bono--which you did, and I said what I did after that--for the reason that I wasn't sure about the mindset of people here on Bono. Whether Bono is good or not is immaterial, seeing as I know so few songs by U2.
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Michael Jackson ruled, point. Now the throne of king of pop is abandoned, in need of a new leader. That's it. 
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