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Old 11-01-2002, 03:41 AM
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The actual number of immigrants attempting to enter any given country, as far as I know, is not great enough yet to cause any sort of real population density or economic problems.

Until the USA is in as bad a state as Haiti, let them come.

Why should US citizens have a right to a better life just because of where they happened to be born?

Nippy - I do not doubt in the slightest that the government spends more on refugees than it does on the homeless - This is because the public does not care a damn about homelessness, and as long as tramps are not in view on the street (those new benches in the Underground?) we couldn't care less if they are starving to death...There is however a very large voting popuation who will not vote for a government that does not support refugees...

As for foreign aid, it is not enough to send in a couple of helicopters and then refuse to take refugees and still claim moral credibility...In this country, we have money and security, but in other countries, they don't - Why do you think we deserve it more?

Beowulf, the country of origin has already lost out unfortunately by not being rich enough to support a pool of educated professionals...Refusing a Haitian PhD entry to your country does no good whatsoever to the Haitian population...
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Old 11-01-2002, 05:17 AM
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Its a horrible thing when a country goes to ****e, but the fact is people want better things and who is going to stop them from bettering thier lives. And who is going to stop people who currently live in a place to decide who stays goes based upon what makes thier lives better.

Personally I went to school to learn and got a good job so I can afford a good place to live in. Others dont have the choices i did so I dont argue with them wanting to "free load" here. Actually im rambling so later.
I wouldn't like to be the one who says to any individual: "Look, you're poor, but you're from another country so I can't help you." But there have to be rules. Unrestricted immigration will lead to grave troubles in the western countries. If we break the rules for a group of Haitians, we should be prepared to break the rule for all and thus abolish it.

How to improve the fate of the many unfortunates around the globe should be on our minds, but immigration to the west is no sollution. Even allowing immigration in the west on an unprecedented scale would never amount to no more than a tenth of the population growth in the same timespan.
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Old 11-01-2002, 06:36 AM
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Beowulf, the country of origin has already lost out unfortunately by not being rich enough to support a pool of educated professionals...Refusing a Haitian PhD entry to your country does no good whatsoever to the Haitian population...
You're thinking of supporting educated professionals in the Western sense (2 + cars, holiday home in Majorca, etc.) But a doctor can live on just as little as everyone who's refused asylum. Besides, a doctor, even a woefully under-rescourced one, does a lot more good in Haiti than in the US.
Also, I'm not suggesting that we should refuse asylum to educated professioanls. I'm saying that it's wrong to refuse asylum to everyone else, based solely on their economic use to the host country, or to target recruitment drives at third world medical professionals, knowing that improved wages and conditons will inevitably result in them leaving their country, whilst people who desperately need asylum are refused due to lack of qualifications.
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