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08-19-2006, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Vicsun  I'm not sure what you mean all I know is you misspelt my name  | I apologise for that I knew something looked wrong...havent slept in days.....guess thats my que 
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Wondering how vampires live the life they live.....
seriously I dont know how they sleep during the day, I have a twitch everytime I hear a loud sound as I slumber, everytime ....Im just waiting to pounce on the poor mortal who creates a sound while I sleep in during the day. /rant
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08-19-2006, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dottie | Yeah, I remember the days when I was a happy-go-lucky 14-year old. 
Oh, and just so that there's no misunderstanding the post you quoted was sarcasm - I actually love spam threads.
Last edited by Vicsun; 08-19-2006 at 09:39 AM.
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08-19-2006, 09:54 AM
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The only thing that I continue to struggle with is that the justifications for the change is listed as purely administrative; one being that it is easier for a SYM mod to manage and the other that it is better for the database to have shorter threads.
For the first point, no one other than a SYM mod can make this claim since they are the only ones affected (so they will have the best grasp on any impact the change might have). If anyone else raised the issue initially then this doesn't make sense.
For the second, Buck himself should have been the person to raise the issue. If Buck did not bring it up first, then it must not be that big a deal or he would have done something about it already. I cannot imagine Buck would recognize something that reduces the efficiency of the forum and do nothing about it until someone else asks about it.
Also if the second issue were substantial, I would think that there would have been debate or research into the limit to post counts. Trying to determine what number of posts would or would not impact the database. In science if you are trying to evaluate a new additive and you know that some amount is needed before seeing positive effects but too much will incur negative effects do you try a single dose and if it works call your research complete? No, you use statistics and sampling to bound the positive and negative effects to determine the valuable range of your additive and based on this information make a recommendation. Did the number of posts set to 1,500 followed normal objective procedures?
(Note this is a rhetorical question as I know that the Mod discussion won't be quoted or discussed here; I am merely contemplating how a purely administrative / technical change could have been approached.)
The change itself, as I have said several times, doesn't matter to me. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. This issue has raised some very emotional responses on both sides of the fence and members and mods alike have been behaving worse than I have seen in my (relatively short) time here. Between the blatently disrespectful behavior of the members (and some mods) to the heavy-handedness of the mods, this situation has deteriorated out of control. Now I'm not passing judgement or saying one side started it but both sides are to blame for letting it continue and both sides are partly justified (the disrespect deserves the heavy-handedness and the heavy-handedness deserves the disrespect).
We have already lost a well respected member of the forum over this discussion, and there are probably more casualties that will no longer be here even though they weren't banned. Respect on both sides of the field have taken a beating, but I don't think continued discussion is going to get us anywhere.
I would recommend to everyone that we let this lie. The policy is in place; if it is going to be removed it won't be for awhile. The people demoted and banned will not be reinstated (or if they are it also won't be for awhile). Everyone has said their piece, no one is changing each others mind. The only thing that continued discussion has caused is hurt feelings, and deteriorating bickering.
The amount of explanation and justification that you currently have is all you are going to get. No matter how much you feel you deserve more, it is not going to come. A forum (like a country) is based on the people, but unlike a country if you can't handle the way the admin rule then you are free to leave and go to another site or just not post here. If this change is really that momentous then the population of GB or at least SYM will reflect it. But you have no way of staging a revolution or coup so you have to either adapt to the change or leave.
I think everyone should drop this discussion since it is going nowhere, let everything settle out for a day or two and then restock. If you just can't deal with what has been happening here the last week then leave (temporarily or permanently). If you are still a little sore then just come back and you will find that things will return to a semblance of normality. The thing that most upsets me about this situation is Lestat's banning, not because I think it was unjustified but because it is the only permanent thing that has come from the discussion. Even the demotions didn't change Rav's or LA's ability to contribute to the site. Other than Lestat, this has all been something that can blow over in time.
Let's all just drop it before anything else irrevocable happens.
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I just read back over the posts that have happened since I started writing... can we please keep the spam to a minimum in here? That goes for poorly veiled passive-aggressive diatribes as well.
Last edited by Darzog; 08-19-2006 at 09:57 AM.
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08-19-2006, 09:59 AM
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Very nicely put @Darzog. 
While I do not agree with everything you posted, you spoke your mind well.
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08-19-2006, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ravager What does quality matter, Locke? We're not here to provide some saga for people down the line to read, we post as we wish to, within the GB Rules. There's nothing wrong with that. If you don't like that part of SYM, you can just gloss over it. | Quality doesn't matter, but when ppl use stuff like:"hard to keep track of your posts/threads you're following" as an excuse for a negative side of limiting posts / thread into 1,500..
and who's accusing of breaking GB rules? All i said was that considering that there is no epic saga's anymore here and the same "discussion spam" doesn't continue for hundreds of posts(basically new topic of discussion/spam for everyday) it doesn't matter if it starts anew on a new thread now does it?
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08-19-2006, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Vicsun Oh, and just so that there's no misunderstanding the post you quoted was sarcasm - I actually love spam threads. | never would've guessed
but that shouldn't have to be said out loud now should it  | | |
08-19-2006, 10:23 AM
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Every once in a while, when I'm feeling really lonely, I turn my computer on, wait for windows to finish loading, and launch a browser. From then on my fingers run through the keyboard in a manner that is both silent and determined - I slide each finger from key to key in a motion I have practiced hundreds of times. My smile reflects in the bright screen and all that can be heard is the clicking of my keyboard along with whatever music I have meticulously chosen for the occasion.
What I do then is point my browser to SYM, and click on the first spam thread I see; when I'm so close to my treasured prize, there is simply no time to pick and choose. And this is where the fun begins; like a junkie who's finally gotten his fix, my hands are shaking with glee as I turn the scroll-wheel and read the first page in its entirety. It takes me seconds. The initial post sets the mood and then it's all down-hill from there. I absorb the thread from start to finish, like some giant blob devouring New York City in some shoddy B-movie. I love it. Every greeting, every complaint about the weather, every joke I don't find funny. I just eat it straight up until I can't take anymore; until I'm positive my consciousness will go supernova if I read another post.
Then, I put on my shirt and go out for a beer as if nothing has happened. My friends don't know about what I do. My family doesn't either. I need help
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@darzog, the thread title says spam-lite so I feel it's my obligation to compensate for the fact that everyone is taking this so seriously.
Joking aside though, if Dj_venom or a SYM mod tell me knock it off, I'll do so immediately
Last edited by Vicsun; 08-19-2006 at 11:02 AM.
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08-19-2006, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Ravager Nope. He can't even do that. He was IP banned by the looks of it... | He was not IP banned and would be able to view everything on these forums as long as he's not logged in. Given the nature of his post and how much information sharing is going on, I'm sure he knows exactly why he was banned.
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08-19-2006, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ravager Xan, he didn't receive a single warning about being banned for it, he reposted something that mysteriously vanished a couple of times, that's all. Didn't he deserve some kind of comment, some kind of warning to stop what he was doing that was wrong BEFORE he was banned? | Do you really think that I wanted to ban him? I hate to lose an upstanding member like Lestat, but his post warranted much more than a warning. It's an absolute shame that he decided to pursue the route that he did.
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08-19-2006, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ravager Well, if I'm not supposed to know why I was demoted, why was I a mod in the first place? I was helping the GB community and I committed no mistakes in the moderating duties I had, yet I receive no reason, yes that may be between me and Buck, but since he refuses to discuss it, I have no other option bar to discuss it here. | I grow tired of this nonsense. Both you and Luis know exactly why you were demoted, whether you'd like to admit it or not. The problem is that the reasons behind the demotions cannot be discussed publically and you know that. I offer no apologies for removing your moderator tag. If any other moderator was responsible for the same antics, they would be demoted as well.
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08-19-2006, 11:13 AM
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This thread is getting closed. Everyone's opinion is well known and there is no reason to continue letting the forums degenerate with the bickering that is going on here. If we find that the policy isn't providing the benefits that we had hoped, it can always be removed. But for now, I'd at least like to give it a test run.
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