The Gull's Roost Tavern and Inn

[Chanak]

@Des: Hrm....from what I know of you from the forums, I don't take you to be a big fan of medieval sort of fantasy. I'm thinking that's the basis of you not being interested in D&D style games, yes?

As for myself, I like both sci-fi and medieval fantasy equally: Star Wars or the Forgotten Realms, I like 'em both. As far as D&D style RPGs go, the Baldur's Gate series sits on a pedestal far above the others. I think you would enjoy playing the Baldur's Gate series, as tactics and strategy play a large role in the successful completion of the games. You crunch numbers playing other games, right? Well, you'll take to doing that in the Baldur's Gate (BG) games very quickly. In fact, I think you might enjoy the robust character development avenues in the BGs and find it refreshing compared to the over-simplified D20 system used by the KOTORs.

The interaction between your player character and the NPCs alone is worth playing the BG series of games. The writing is fantastic, the dialogues engaging and often hilarious, and lends to an outstanding game experience. And the nicest thing: nowdays, the games are cheap. Can't beat that with a Gamorrean Cleaver.

[Philos]

*Dusty, foot sore Ranger trudges past still burning pile of wires and cheap pressboard (that at one time might have been mistaken for an entertainment device) and in the door. Finds an empty table, checks the rafters for any roosting gull's above, and finding none, sits down. "Fair wench", he asks, "Could I have a bottle of Fiddlebender's Brew? Perhaps one for the lady over there eyeing that nappy looking cleric, as well. I think she probably could use one more than I."

[Kipi]

*Sits one the chair, orders beer and Vodka Redbull*

This is a moent when I miss all those spammers who have left/banned lately...
This place is so dead!

Anyone here for small chatting??

*takes a sip from Vodka Redbull*

[dragon wench]

Originally Posted by Philos

*Dusty, foot sore Ranger trudges past still burning pile of wires and cheap pressboard (that at one time might have been mistaken for an entertainment device) and in the door. Finds an empty table, checks the rafters for any roosting gull's above, and finding none, sits down. "Fair wench", he asks, "Could I have a bottle of Fiddlebender's Brew? Perhaps one for the lady over there eyeing that nappy looking cleric, as well. I think she probably could use one more than I."

Hi Philos,
glad you could stop by
Sorry for the delayed response, I just got back in after dragging myself around the docks and market for a couple of hours.
*passes bottles of Fiddlebender's Brew to Philos and anyone else who wishes one*


@Kipi,
I think, in part, it is dead here because over on this side of the pond it is Labour Day Weeekend, and the last blast of summer before schools go back. It was crazy downtown, here in Vancouver, all kinds of people by the water sunning, cycling, and generally enjoying themelves.

[Curdis]

Originally Posted by dragon wench

<SNIP> and generally enjoying themelves.

Bastards!

* Mutters the cleric as he attempts to drown his sorrows, in leiu of dancing or decrying sin. There being either no money or no sin on offer. * - Curdis !

[DesR85]

Originally Posted by dragon wench

if you liked KOTR, you'll probably enjoy BG2. KOTR took some of the elements from BG2 (like story and party interaction) but weakened them considerably. And yes, as everyone says don't worry about the number crunching or D&D background. I had no experience with D&D when I first played it, and my skill with numbers is so abysmal that I practically break into a cold sweat when I see a mathematical equation

Me neither. My maths is just plain average only. Even with advanced maths, I'm just plain average. As for my knowledge of D&D, its next to zero. But, yeah, I'll think about it since I did enjoy playing KOTOR (my friend recommended it to me after my stint with Fable: The Lost Chapters and the fact that I've played Star Wars: Republic Commando before).

Originally Posted by dragon wench

As far as NWN goes... I never finished it. I found the game to be a real disappointment. I may pick up the complete pack with the expansions sometime, because I've heard they make a huge difference, but the original game just lacks.

Never got into the game myself. Saw my friend playing it before and somehow I was quite turned off by it. It must have been the camera view because I never touched any RPG that was top-down before. Only 3rd person RPGs like Final Fantasy 7&8 and Fable. First Person RPGs also turned me off too, particularly Morrowind and Oblivion, except Dark Messiah of Might and Magic's demo.

Originally Posted by Chanak

Hrm....from what I know of you from the forums, I don't take you to be a big fan of medieval sort of fantasy. I'm thinking that's the basis of you not being interested in D&D style games, yes?

That could be one of the main factors. Aside from Fable: The Lost Chapters, I don't really play any other medieval based RPGs. It could also be the fact that I don't really play that much RPGs and I'm mostly to RTSes and action games.

Originally Posted by Chanak

I think you would enjoy playing the Baldur's Gate series, as tactics and strategy play a large role in the successful completion of the games. You crunch numbers playing other games, right? Well, you'll take to doing that in the Baldur's Gate (BG) games very quickly. In fact, I think you might enjoy the robust character development avenues in the BGs and find it refreshing compared to the over-simplified D20 system used by the KOTORs.

As for other games, I don't think I've played games that have any relation to using numbers at all, aside from some adventure games. As for team-based games, I did play Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30, Star Wars: Republic Commando and Freedom Fighters. However, what turned me off about KOTOR's party system is that you have to control and plan each and every one of the member's action and that is slightly tedious and troublesome to me. I prefer the method where you give out commands and the others will do as you command just like the above games I mentioned just now.

Hmm. Considering how interesting the characters are back at KOTOR, I think I might be able to enjoy the characters there too. By the way, as I recall, I've read a review somewhere that the characters in KOTOR do resemble some of the characters back at either BG or Neverwinter Nights in terms of the personality.

[Philos]

Morning All,

Originally Posted by dragon wench
As far as NWN goes... I never finished it. I found the game to be a real disappointment. I may pick up the complete pack with the expansions sometime, because I've heard they make a huge difference, but the original game just lacks.

Same for me DW,
I bought a package which include the first expansion, but not the second. Even though I have finished the first chapter (in Neverwinter itself) I just find myself going back to either BG2 or one of the IWD games when I go to play a CRPG. What is one minus (of many) for me is how the NPC (henchman) function. Having a limit of one was bad enough (I got over that) but I can't give them anything except a potion for immediate use. "Gee look at the great bow, sure wish I could give it to Shaar, she could really make good use of it." Sigh.....

@Des,
In NWN you can adjust the camera angle from top down and far back to up close and straight ahead (perhaps like most of the games you are used to) or points in between. Not that I am a NWN fan. But that was a nice feature of the game.

@Kipi,
Hopefully things will pick up some. I was surprised coming back on line after a few days absence (right when everything seem to hit the proverbial fan) at all that happened.

*Ranger offers a bottle of Fiddlebender's Brew to muttering cleric*

[DesR85]

Originally Posted by Philos

In NWN you can adjust the camera angle from top down and far back to up close and straight ahead (perhaps like most of the games you are used to) or points in between. Not that I am a NWN fan. But that was a nice feature of the game.

But the problem is when you do zoom up as close to the character as possible, the main character looked kind of ugly. Furthermore, the viewing angle in Neverwinter Nights is restrictive (in 3rd person view, that is), making it harder to manoeuvre around and doesn't give a good view of the situation. No wonder its better to stay at the top-down view for a game like this. I'd much prefer Fable's viewing angle compared to Neverwinter Nights since when you zoom out to the max, its still in 3rd person but in a way, you'll get a better viewing angle.

[Curdis]

Originally Posted by Philos

<SNIP>*Ranger offers a bottle of Fiddlebender's Brew to muttering cleric*

* The bottle is quickly grasped and chugged. The ragged cleric looks out the window and his eyes narrow. *

If those bleeding gulls don't hush up some I'm going to go royal messenger.

* Appears to concentrate on a 'call lightning' spell. *

Bah!

See the hooded theif over there?

* Indicates the Mystic Theif who hasn't posted since page two. *

All we would need is a magic user and we could have a party!

Or seeing as she's asleep we could just take advantage of the situation, how about it? - Curdis !

[Maharlika]

Originally Posted by Curdis

* <snip> Or seeing as she's asleep we could just take advantage of the situation, how about it? - Curdis !

And how do you propose to do that? *eyes suspiciously*

Watch those flying daggers, they just whiz through you, before you know it, those tips would be greeting your then bleeding heart.

[Philos]

Morning All,

@Des

But the problem is when you do zoom up as close to the character as possible, the main character looked kind of ugly. Furthermore, the viewing angle in Neverwinter Nights is restrictive (in 3rd person view, that is), making it harder to manoeuvre around and doesn't give a good view of the situation.

Heh, NO argument there, those graphics look really bad. Thinking back on it now I didn't stay in that view long for the very reasons you mentioned. Oh well, but I do recommend BG2 along with rest if you'd like to try FRPG.

*A party, yeah!! About time for some action. Hmm, now regarding the mystic thief, for all we know she could just be faking slumber and sizing us up as potential marks, cleric of ..um.., who DO you follow anyway? Probably better to have her in the party. Being a "mystic" thief, maybe she is a mage too*

[Mr_Snow]

Morning Philos, morning all

can't wait for nwn2 personally, but another game I've ordered comes out on the same day.....noooo
am saving for a house atm, so finances have to be rashened, but I might make this an exception

........now what music has this jukebox box got......

[Curdis]

* The ragged cleric turns to face the lampshade wearing warrior who has intruded on what was intended to be a private conversation. *

What's it to you, cone head? Although I do take your advice regarding flying knives kindly.

* Returning to Philos.*

Your a ranger right? And that means good aligned, right? Well my deity is very helpful but probably not one you would have heard of. We may have to wait and see if the "Mystic Theif" is going to be any use. While we wait another brewski might help pass the time.

* Looks expectantly at Philos.* - Curdis !

[Gwalchmai]

Originally Posted by Curdis

If those bleeding gulls don't hush up some I'm going to go royal messenger.

Gwally silently echos Curdis' thoughts about the seagulls as he notes that he now needs to wash his car.

[Athena]

Howdy folks. Long time no sleep. I see DW holdin it down as usual. What's up in here? It's been a while SYM! I see we have some new etiquette savvy... I hope yall have been enjoying the summer as much as I have. :sunny: