Star Wars: The story of the skywalkers

[Lowkei]

ok the episode 3 will be out soon (dunno if its already out in the USA, but if so please don't spoil the film for coz it aint out here yet) an so i got a question. In episode 1 anikins mother said anikin had no father and qui gon said he was spaawned of midiclarins or summit like dat. Does any one no who anikins father was.
Another queston does anyone know y padmay dies after giving birth to luke an layar unless they reveal it in the film in which case don't tell me. cheers guys any other info on the Star wars storyline is not well known will be wlecome. i kind of gone Star wars crazy anwanna know the whole story in as much detail as possible. seen all the films sept episode 3 an can't wait.
cheers guys, o an one other thing. does any one know here sidius lernt all his training coz the council didn't teach him or they would know he was palpertine

[Adahn]

Anakin is a genetically enhanced engineered human, a simple machination created by Darth Sidious, or Dooku to return the Sith to Power. He was created... DUN DUN DUN!

[stormcloud]

I think GL messed up there... Annakin spawned by Midichlorians.

FOOOEY!

As for Padme, Leia says in ROTJ that she remembers her mother very sad, so I dont understand if she died in childbirth or someone else raised Leia. Cause that would make it her stepmother, not her mother.

Anyways, the more interesting point is who Darth Sidious master was, and if Sidious + Maul were able to defeat him. Where why how? It must have been a glorious victory.

[Adahn]

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Originally Posted by stormcloud I think GL messed up there... Annakin spawned by Midichlorians. FOOOEY! As for Padme, Leia says in ROTJ that she remembers her mother very sad, so I dont understand if she died in childbirth or someone else raised Leia. Cause that would make it her stepmother, not her mother. Anyways, the more interesting point is who Darth Sidious master was, and if Sidious + Maul were able to defeat him. Where why how? It must have been a glorious victory.

What the heck are you talking about? And to the Anakin being spawned by Midichlorians is true, he was a success experiment made by Dooku - maybe even his clone. But - created by pure Midichlorians. He's an engineered human being. And Leia says that her mother was very beautiful, but sad. But that's exactly how Amidala is, especially when Anakin turns to the Dark Side. She's always very beautiful, and though she may smile, she's always sad because of her lost love. Aside from that, remember that Obi-Wan says that both Luke and Leia were intrusted to him for safe-keeping. Now what became later on of Anakin's wife, is something I really don't know.

[CM]

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Originally Posted by Adahn What the heck are you talking about? And to the Anakin being spawned by Midichlorians is true, he was a success experiment made by Dooku - maybe even his clone. But - created by pure Midichlorians.

Where did you get that information from?

[Cuchulain82]

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Originally Posted by CM Where did you get that information from?

Yeah, where did you get this info?

(ie- in Part I Anakin's mom talks of a virgin birth via metachlorians)

[Adahn]

I know that but come on, do you really thing Lucas wouldn't complicate things? And just leave it like Jesus into a 'imaculate consception'? I mean... I seriously doubt Shmi was a virgin when she had Anakin ^^;; There's much more to it than that. There is no way that Anakin is "born from divine", he was created by the Sithts - but if you ask me where I got it from, it's just my theory, I think that's the most rational explanation.

TPM leaves a lot of poiners though. I mean even outside the news ones, back in "A New Hope" When Beru mentions to Luke's uncle Owen "There's too much of his father in him." No one, and I really don't think anyone - ever thought about that line until they saw "The Empire Strikes Back".

In 'The Phantom Menace" The whole dialogue between Qui-Gon and Shmi for instance, gives a lot of fertile space for thought. "Yes. Our meeting was not a coincidence. Nothing happens by accident." then what she answers "There was no father, that I know of...I carried him, I gave him birth...I can't explain what happened. Can you help him?"

I mean what other way could you explain that? I'm not saying she was abducted or anything, but she says "There was no father" so what then? What's more interesting, and which backs up my theory is what Obi-Wan then says. "The reading's off the chart...over twenty thousand. Even Master Yoda doesn't have a midi-chlorian count that high!" And then Qui-Gon says "No Jedi has."

AHA! See that's what I'm saying. If no Jedi, if no creatures connected to the force - not even the strongest of all - as in Yoda, has such high count of Midi-chlorians, that means he can't be natural. He just can't be a regular flesh-blood human. There has to be more - hence my explanation of him being created -Yes by midichlorians- but I mean litterally created, of them, but by the Sith.

Another thing not alot of people think about is the fact that Lucas mentioned that the medichlorians were in BLOOD. Not the spirit, or the soul or aura or whatever. But acctually, physical, DNA-filled - Blood. Another thing to add to my little theory ^^

Besides, he's still a live, he's still a real person. But better, faster, stronger. More intuned with everything around him and much more powerful because of just that little intervention.

The reason the Sith created him (in my opinion) is because, in the novel of the Phantom Menace, which I have in swedish ^^;; it tells that the Sith, because of their evil nature, constant betrayal, killing, manipulation and what not. Turned on themselves. Thus leading to the survival of only two - Dooku, and Sidious who in turn trained Maul. But they had staged their own bit of the Prophecy - the Prophecy tells of one that will bring ballance to the force. And it IS Anakin. Because he DOES kill the Emperor in the end. BUT in the meantime, the Sith's part of the prophecy was the Return of the Sith. An age of prosperity for the Dark Side, thanks to their engineered little puppet.

I mean why do you think Anakin has such a strange pull towards Chancellor Palpatine? Another thing to consider, was that Qui-Gon was Dooku's apprentice, he was the one to suggest they go to Tatooine. Maybe... he was following instructions. Dooku does after all state that "He would have followed me" in Episode II. This could explain my theory further that Dooku created Anakin, and sent his apprentice, to go find him when the time was right.

[CM]

Actually that does make sense...nice bit of logic there.

[Adahn]

Thanks ^__^

Oh Another piece of food for thought, when Dooku fights Anakin, he looks a bit distressed at what he has to do. And though Anakin is much less experienced than the Master who trained Qui-Gon, who trained Obi-Wan who trained Anakin - Count Dooku dosn't kill him. In my opinion he could have, but dosn't. Instead only removes his hand to prove his evil-ness-ity without having to look merciful to Yoda and Obi-Wan's eyes.

And if anyone asks "Oh yeah then why did Dooku put him in the desert of Tatooine" then I answer ^^ Because if he hadn't, Anakin would have probably been born under the Republic and eventually. As Qui-Gon states: "Had he been born in the Republic, we would have identified him early, and he would have become Jedi, no doubt...he has the way." Which would have been very bad for the Sith, seeing as the Light side would have had an uber weapon on their hands.

The Sith wanted Anakin to create an emotional bonding with his mother, so that much later - the memory and thought of her would be used to "create" rage in Anakin. This is why personal bondings are forbidden for Jedis. Just as Ki-Adi tells him. "Your thoughts dwell on your mother." "I miss her." Right there! That's when you see why it's so important that he bond with his mother. "Afraid to lose her..I think." Anakin here is already a bit rebelious "What's that got to do with anything?"

Yoda then explains "Eveything. Fear is the path to the dark side... fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate.. hate leads to suffering." Anakin then yells "I am not afraid!" then Yoda answers "A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. I sense much fear in you." Thanks to his Mother, as we see in Episode II, Anakin begins to harbor the first thoughs of murder. "I... I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them... Not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals... I hate them!"

Dun... dun... dun...duun, dun-dun duun... dun-duun...

[Locke Da'averan]

hmm you really have putted alot of thought on that.. does sound sensible..

[Adahn]

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Originally Posted by Locke Da'averan hmm you really have putted alot of thought on that.. does sound sensible..

Yeah but like I said before, it's just a theory. I doubt It'll -really- come out like that ^^;;

[stormcloud]

I think GL was throwing a biblical bone at us... same way big J was concieved with no father. explain that one.

And if Dooku did engineer him, why just drop him off on a desert planet with doofus mother for 10 years instead of training him to be a warrior? Also there's plenty of chance for the Jedi to really convert him. And the whole thing with Sand people abduction would have to be a coincidence of galactic proportions.

[Adahn]

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Originally Posted by stormcloud I think GL was throwing a biblical bone at us... same way big J was concieved with no father. explain that one. And if Dooku did engineer him, why just drop him off on a desert planet with doofus mother for 10 years instead of training him to be a warrior? Also there's plenty of chance for the Jedi to really convert him. And the whole thing with Sand people abduction would have to be a coincidence of galactic proportions.

See I knew this was coming, didn't you read what I said? Or did you get tired half-way through? Read it again, and you won't ask that question, I already explained it.

Look I'll explain it again, you know the story of Frankenstein right? Basically what you're asking me is - If Dooku genetically enhanced Anakin or cloned him, why wouldn't he raise Anakin as a Sith from the beginning? Why send him to Tatooine at all?

That's a worthy question, seeing as both Sidious and Dooku were able to hide their powers from the other Jedi, able to clone an entire army without them knowing it, and able to infiltrate the Jedi Archives without them knowing either then why couldn't he have hidden Anakin. All pretty valid points, but let me explain.

Personally I think it was a masterfully well designed plan. Anakin HAD to be away with his mother so that he would develop very deep emotional attachments to her, as I explained earlier (I like to repeat myself cause I'm
almost 100% sure you didn't read it) eventually he'd be discovered by the Jedis - having such power couldn't be hidden forever from their eyes - Those very same feelings for his mother were needed in order to push him over the edge and into anger, suffering and the Dark side.

This again falls into the smaller theory of Qui-Gon serving Dooku. He could have been brainwashed or just influensed by Dooku, I mean why do you think he's always disaproving the Council, and the Republic itself? He constantly contests every and any decision or order given to him. And he's the one who has the idea of going to Tatooine, maybe because he already knew what was there, perhaps Dooku told him to be on the look-out for the 'Prophecy Child' I'm not saying he's evil, odds are he didn't know of his master's plans.

And to the biblical thing, I never said I opposed Anakin being of 'virgin birth' but said that he was created with Midi-chlorians and not -from- them. But remember that Lucas read a lot of Joseph Campbel (as everyone who reads his interviews knows)l - who if you've read some of his works - talks about how prophecies and old myths are misinterpreted. Such as... umm... well for instance how we misinterpreted Jesus Christ's re-birth and other passages from the Bible. Lucas might have been influenced by this, or simply thought it a fair trade to make the issue known in his saga.

Now Anakin *IS* the 'Chosen One' or 'Prophecy Child' Or whatever you want to call him, since he DOES bring balance back to the force when he kills the Emperor. But like I explained above, before he does that, other things happen.

[stormcloud]

I have to say, if its true... its absolutely _brilliant_ and ingenious by the Sith.

However, Dooku cant even figure out Sidious is going to off him and take Mannequin Skywalker as his apprentice. So you see, there's just way too much short sightedness going on in terms of Sith brainpower.

Also, Sidious trained Darth Maul just fine without sending him through the jedi hoops.

And there's the question of when exactly Dooku turned from the order. I believe it was right after episode i, and Annakin was already 10 by that time, so any plot would have to be carried out way before by Sidious.

[Adahn]

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Originally Posted by stormcloud And there's the question of when exactly Dooku turned from the order. I believe it was right after episode i, and Annakin was already 10 by that time, so any plot would have to be carried out way before by Sidious.

I... very seriously doubt that. I really don't remember anything being said in the book about him turning. And I've seen that movie, and read the book enough times to know it virtually by heart. No I don't think he turned then, but much, much before that. It's possible (if what you mean) is him turning "Officially" from the Jedi. But that really dosn't mean anything, seeing as Dooku manages to keep himself hidden just as well as Sidious.

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Originally Posted by stormcloud Also, Sidious trained Darth Maul just fine without sending him through the jedi hoops.

Sure, but you're missing the point. Maul was nothing compared to the importance Anakin held. Maul was nothing more but cannon-food. A mere distraction, to keep the short-sighted Jedi Order from focusing on anything else but 'the phantom menace'.