Responsible (NO SPAM)

[Weasel]

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Originally posted by der Moench It would be nice if more people were more responsible about the right...

I found this (may I say great knowledge) and started thinking down the line of ( not limited to guns) responsibility.


In my days of school, at the age of 14 we started Hunters Ed. A class you had to pass to be able to hunt, with gun or bow. In my case, the teacher took this as a serious matter and tried to the best of his ability to ingrain this in the class.


I can say, no one from this class has ever been in a hunting accident.


Now to another class, Drivers Ed. A class that wasn't mandatory to take, meaning at this time you could get your Driver Licence (at 16) without going thru this class. The main reason to take it, it would count for pionts towards your insurance. (Better rate). The teacher, hmm more that lacking in this class. If you showed up and behaved, you got a B.


Out of this class, two are now dead. Both from car wrecks. One was proven in a military court to be the fault of my class mate. (Drunk and crashed thru the gate of the military base..died on the base)


Now the question I ask....was the responsibility of these events the fault (or in the first case, a good event) of society. the teacher, parents or all three.


(My thoughts later)

[James Mason]

@Weasel, is the individual an option in these cases?
I think the individual is responsible for the actions and choices they make. It is their responsibility to not drink and drive and their responsibility to use firearms correctly. Society, government, teachers and parents can all help the individual make good choices but ultimitly it is the responsibility of the individual.

[Weasel]

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Originally posted by James Mason @Weasel, is the individual an option in these cases?

Good one to add as well.

I would only ask/wouldn't mind for this option, a age when the individual is responsible on his own. Say a cut off date of 16 years old. Or should a person have a grace period?

[James Mason]

Well I think that 18 is a fine age for the cut off. That seems to be the age that the government has picked out and it's working fine. Before the age of 18 it is the parents' responsibility to teach children how to be functioning members of society, not the school's, society's, friends' or anybody elses, just the parents. That's why divorce and other forms of family are such a problem, it makes it a lot harder to teach children etc.

[Weasel]

And this leads me to this..(Thanks James Mason ) I plan to start teaching my oldest child to drive at 13 and how to handle a gun this year (age 10). My wife and I kind of part ways on this, she believes the child needs to be older and I believe the sooner the lessons begin, the sooner I can teach her right. (No need to discuss the parting of opinion between wife and I, we will come to a middle ground)

I believe it is my duty as a father to show her right from wrong, not society and not the teacher and surly not the government.

Some things in society I don't agree with, but thanks to my mother, I learned to get along for the good of society, but to speak up if I see a wrong. Teaching her the same way is my goal, not letting society teach her.

A teacher, in my humble opinion will have their own goals which might conflict with how I want my daughter raised.

Not even going to go into detail about the government.

Some might look at this and call it brainwashing a child, sadly I cannot disprove this, only to say, I do take the time to listen and try to understand my child. If in life she should fail, I will take what resposibility I can, but some must fall with the child.

[Nightmare]

I'd say the individual is responsible. Parents have a huge influence on upbringing usually, as do select teachers, and society coming in last. All have influence....but ultimately, the individual is responsible for their own actions, in most cases (like this one.)

[VoodooDali]

Well, if the car wrecks took place in my state - I'd blame New Jersey.

The highway system is chaotic and unlit. If you don't know where you're going, don't count on a road sign to guide you. They are almost always tiny and posted right at the exit, forcing you to slam on your brakes and do a hard turn. That's so common in NJ, that people don't even honk at you for doing it.

[Scayde]

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Originally posted by Weasel Now the question I ask....was the responsibility of these events the fault (or in the first case, a good event) of society. the teacher, parents or all three. (My thoughts later)

In my opinion the primary responsibility for raising a child and instilling in them character, values, morals, and responsibility falls to the parent. Because of the reality that all parents are not good parents, the slack must be taken up by the teacher. Society is the guide to both the parent and the teacher for what the child will need to learn to operate effectively within the community one day. So, IMO, it falls to all three, in varying degrees.