pro choice or no choice

[hlaalumember]

do you think that the goverment should be able to tell women if they can have an abortion or not. and do you believe in choice or not. im more pro choice because i believe in the right of self-determination.(if you think the government has a right to say that click it if not dont

[dairy]

women should definately have the choice. many pregnacies are "unplanned" and occur in situations where the mother and/or father is unable to care for a child. sadly there is very little support for these people and most of us find it easy to say "they brought it on themselves" or "serves them right." i dont however believe that is sufficient reason to forbid an abortion, destroying any chance for the parents to get into a position where they can raise a child or maintain a decent standard of living. the other half of the equation is that of forcing a child to be born into poor situation. what chance does that kid have? if pro lifers want to ban abortions, then first lets see them help build support programs for teenage parents, parents living below the poverty line, single parents, parents with substance abuse problems. if the people marching outside an abortion clinic would put that time into volunteering as child care workers, teaching parenting classes etc they might win a little more support, and in IMHO, more well deserved support.

[Weasel]

yes they should have a choice


I believe every person should have the right to do what they want, as long as this doesn't effect another person. With the debate still going on about when a group of cells becomes a human, I will stick with the (correct me if I'm wrong) the second semister. <Note this is subject to change>

The other side effect, the man and his right. To me this is the harder one, should a man have the right to force a woman to carry a group of cells until they become a person? In all fairness, if he doesn't have some say on the child being born, he shouldn't be expected to support a child he didn't want on the other hand. Not a popular way to see the issue, but one way without the other is just forcing a person, just in a different way.


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[Paranitis]

I am kinda in the middle of this one.

I am AGAINST abortion when it is just a form of pregnancy control..meaning you don't use protection and then you are surprised that you get pregnant, so you just go ahead and get an abortion. I say that if you are 'mature' enough to have sex without precautions (pill, condom, etc) then you are 'mature' enough to take on the responsibility of raising the kid. OR you can give the child up for adoption.

It may have been an accident (busted condom, etc), but it was mostly preventable and it was your own fault the pregnancy happened.

I am FOR abortion when it comes down to rape and incest. If you are forced into getting pregnant and it wasn't under your control then you shouldn't have to pay the life long price of something that was completely brought on by someone else. Now if it was 'consentual' incest then I would be against abortion for that..you may be a sick freak, but it was between two stupid concenting adults.

[dragon wench]

Women are the ones whose bodies bear the risks of childbirth, in this still less than enlightened society it are usually womens' lives that are most affected by having a child.
While this is a decision often weighed and considered by both parties in a couple relationship, which I believe should be the case, it is ultimately the woman who should have the final say.
Doctors, the State, organised religion etc. should have no say in the matter whatsoever, period.

Clearly, abortion should not be employed as a method of birth control... that is extremely unethical. However, as anyone who is sexually active knows, mistakes can and do happen.


I am no radical feminist, but this is one area where I have some extremely strong and unequivocal feelings.

[Paranitis]

That's what I am talking about mostly..that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. But there are a lot of people that think 'well, I should have the choice of doing every guy in town without protection then getting an abortion'.

[dragon wench]

While unplanned pregnancy is obviously a serious concern, I think that the prospect of contracting STDs, HIV in particular, should provide an even greater incentive to use protection if one has multiple partners...

Somewhat off-topic I know, but also worth pointing out.

[Gwalchmai]

Yes, women should have the choice...

but more importantly:

The right to have that choice should not be dictated by a bunch of (mostly) old males in the Legislature and Supreme Court.

[dragon wench]

@Gwally... yes indeed....
When I hear about a bunch of mostly old men in official or legislative roles attempting to dictate what a woman should, or should not, do with her body my blood boils....

[Paranitis]

But that's because women are stupid and don't know how to handle power when they have it!

[Bloodthroe]

Well looking at it from both views. One is saying that a person should be given their god given right to choose their own fate. Another is saying it's wrong for a person to be free from consequence. Many people out there shouldn't even be having kids, period. Many of those people are the ones getting abortions. If people don't want to get preqnant then they really shouldn't be having sex. Protected or unprotected, you can still get pregnant. It's you're own fault if you get pregnant, short of rape. I guess I would be prochoice, but then again maybe not everyone deserves the right to choose... that's of course assuming people have to earn their rights. I don't know...

[Aegis]

A woman's body is her own business.

Simply put, the only two people that should be involved in the decision of an aboration (short of the doctor, or Mr. Coat Hanger ) are the parents. No one else should even be allowed to remotely interfere with these decision, as it does not affect them, or the dozens of over-zealous religious fanatics marching down the abortion clinics.

[Morlock]

To quote Reverand Lovejoy: "Yes with a but, or no with a twist".

[Skuld]

I haven't voted on this topic yet because I'm not sure what you meant by, "do you think the government has a right to say yay or nay?" Are you asking me a question? Well my answer is that no one including the government or any other group or organization should be able to tell a woman one way or another. So my answer is two-fold. Yes, the woman should have choice and no, the gov't should have no say in the matter. Therer are a few reasons for this, although from the looks of it not too many people here need convincing. Firstly, if abortion became illegal, there would be abortion clinics anyway operating under, for lack of a better word, very sketchy conditions making abortions dangerous, and because people will still be getting abortions regardless of what the gov't says it'll become more dangerous. And secondly think of all the people who become pregnant as a result of rapes or those 0.01% of people who practice safe sex and get pregnant anyway but can't care for the child. They shouldn't be victims because some drunk redneck found god in his efforts to get clean and now wants to impose his beliefs on others.

[Vicsun]

The last three poll options confuse me. The fact that the poll is multiple choice confuses me as well. I think I'll vote 'do you think the goverment has the right to say yay or nay?' because I like it when my answer to a poll is a question.

That said, I don't believe in government intervention in private life. In a decesion which only involves person X and person Y, person Z should have absolutely no say in. I don't believe there should be an institution to decide what's moral and immoral.