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Old 09-02-2006, 09:45 AM
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Place Names That America Stole

i'm sorry if anyone is offended in any way by this but it's been bugging me for a while now. there are a lot of names of cities/states in america that are the same as english (or other places) but with the word "New" before Them

some off the top of my head are:
New Jersey
New York
New England


there are probably more but i can't think of them right now
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Old 09-02-2006, 09:58 AM
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i'm sorry if anyone is offended in any way by this but it's been bugging me for a while now. there are a lot of names of cities/states in america that are the same as english (or other places) but with the word "New" before Them

some off the top of my head are:
New Jersey
New York
New England


there are probably more but i can't think of them right now
Well, there is quite simple explanation to those names which "seems" to be stolen:
We have to remember that, after all, USA was found and build by people from different European countries, at first the "new land" was under the rule of those countries. So basically those cities with the "New" word attached were build by people from England...
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Old 09-02-2006, 09:58 AM
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Stole?

I'd hardly call it that, read your history

Those names were given when the US colonies were still a part of the Crown.... by the English themselves in many cases.
Or, in others, especially further west, names were given by settlers who were originally from places in Britain or Europe.

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Old 09-02-2006, 10:01 AM
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New London
New Mexico

Even without the "New" there are plenty of same name places.

York
Lancaster
Dover
Madrid
Rome
Athens

Are all cities in the US. There are hundreds more.

I suspect they are not so much stolen as they are a homage to the homeland of the folks who first settled there.

Edit: Got to be quicker with the submit button, lol.

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Old 09-02-2006, 10:10 AM
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When people established colonies in North America it was a big deal to travel across the Atlantic so I'd imagine they got a bit homesick so I'm not really surprised they used names they already knew. It would have made it feel more like home
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Old 09-02-2006, 10:38 AM
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Far from being "stolen," those names (in the case of the states you mention) were given when North America was colonized by Europeans, by the Europeans who settled in them...and were actually mandated by the Crown, in some cases. The English were not the only European power to colonize North America...the Spanish, the French, and the Dutch all claimed territories in North America. Those territories eventually became the United States of America. The Spanish territories were the longest to endure, existing long after the American Revolution. Texas was a province of colonial Mexico, a colony of Spain, as was (surprise) New Mexico. In the case of Texas (Tejas), native Tejanos (the Mexican provincial settlers of Texas) allied with American settlers and pioneers in a bid for independence from Mexico. Sam Houston led a ragtag army against the Mexican army dispatched to deal with the rebellious province. As history tells, Texas won its independence from Mexico, but ended up being wooed by the US federal government into statehood, which ended a brief existence as an independent Republic.

You should also be aware that the US is comprised of immigrants from all over the globe. It was customary for groups of immigrants, upon settling in an area, to name their settlement after a city or region from their country of origin.

In a nutshell, the "stolen" place names are in fact signs of the influence other nations have had on the USA. Louisiana is a great example. The organization of that state harkens back to the days when it was alternatively under French and Spanish control. Baton Rouge, New Orleans, etc...and the "Parishes" instead of counties as you find in other states. In the past, these places were under the direct control of another country. I would consider that as you ponder this issue.

EDIT - By the way, Texas has a rather colorful and fascinating history that makes for a good read. There are a number of books out there on the subject. One of the best is a book that delves into the personalities of both Sam Houston and Santa Anna, titled The Eagle and the Raven. It's amazing just how closely related their life histories are. Both were eccentric and flamboyant, charismatic, and just a wee bit egotistical. History doesn't treat Santa Anna very well...while it's true he was utterly incapable as a statesman, he was a fearless military leader who was actually quite accomplished on the battlefield. Sam Houston was a washed-up American politician who made his way to Texas like many other native Tennesseans did in those days (David Crockett was another). He was a misfit who generally despised society, and was known to disappear for months at a time, going to live with tribes of native Americans he knew well. Perhaps his time spent with these tribes gave him an advantage when he led the relatively pitiful Texas army against the well-supplied and larger Mexican force led by Santa Anna. He basically spent his time running away from conflict with the Mexican army, until the right opportunity presented itself to attack...and that is history, as he caught the Mexican army literally with their pants down.
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Old 09-02-2006, 08:04 PM
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We also have to cities named Berlin. I think those were founded by the Hungarians.
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Old 09-02-2006, 09:14 PM
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We have a city here in New Jersey named Berlin, settled by Germans. And of course, the Pennsylvania Dutch (actually an Anglicization of "Deutsch," for German) settled areas of southern Pennsylvania, which accounts for a hoard of German names like King of Prussia.
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