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[TonyMontana1638]

Originally Posted by Fiona

Subtlety isn't your forte really, is it?

Pshaw it's because I'm more subtle with my subtlety than you may think... You need a magnifying glass, frankly.

[Fiona]

Originally Posted by TonyMontana1638

Pshaw it's because I'm more subtle with my subtlety than you may think... You need a magnifying glass, frankly.

Said the gay witty classics master

[TonyMontana1638]

Originally Posted by Fiona

Said the gay witty classics master

Gay? I'm neither in a good mood nor a Bette Midler fan.

[C Elegans]

Originally Posted by dragon wench

From what I gather, men tend to respond very viscerally to visual stimuli, hence the popularity of porn amongst males. I would think that seeing nude women in video games is not much different to a guy getting off with a magazine.

You North Americans have so old-fashioned stereotyped gender roles A recent Swedish social study showed that more women than men consume more visual pornography. Thus, why not a male nude module if there is a female nude module?

[TonyMontana1638]

Originally Posted by C Elegans

You North Americans have so old-fashioned stereotyped gender roles A recent Swedish social study showed that more women than men consume more visual pornography. Thus, why not a male nude module if there is a female nude module?

Less females playing video games?

*Dives for cover*
*Uses Fiona as a shield*

[Fiona]

I am sorry, Tony. It is just that I have never met a man who was so clear about the fact that size is unimportant. Kudos to you for recognising the value of "subtlety" and the sheer utility of magnifying glasses.

[TonyMontana1638]

Originally Posted by Fiona

I am sorry, Tony. It is just that I have never met a man who was so clear about the fact that size is unimportant. Kudos to you for recognising the value of "subtlety" and the sheer utility of magnifying glasses.

Dammit this why I continue to attest that you're smarter than me because every now and then you'll throw together a post or two that confounds me to the point that I wonder if I'm really as intelligent as I think I am.

... Waits for inevitable apology

[Fiona]

Originally Posted by TonyMontana1638

... Waits for inevitable apology

See, this is what I mean,Tony. Your tailored apology was my last post

[Darzog]

Originally Posted by Fiona

I am sorry, Tony.

I would have to agree that this was an apology.

[Curdis]

Not wanting to rain on anyones parade here...

But did the title not say no s-word?

Smitings all round please mods.

Lest my sig reappears.

@CE - The point has already been made, but is worth repeating. If you gals want these game mods so much who exactly is stopping you from making them? Surely it would be a negative comment on female competence and indeed seriously disempowering of us mere males to make them for you - Curdis !

[dragon wench]

Originally Posted by C Elegans

You North Americans have so old-fashioned stereotyped gender roles A recent Swedish social study showed that more women than men consume more visual pornography. Thus, why not a male nude module if there is a female nude module?

Yep! We are stuck in the Dark Ages over here, it's why we need enlightened souls such as yourself to lead us to the promised land and away from our woefully ignorant ways

Seriously, I was going by the last study I had read on the subject. But that was some years ago; the new information is interesting. I don't suppose you'd have an English language link, would you?

[C Elegans]

Originally Posted by Tony

Less females playing video games?

Originally Posted by Curdis

@CE - The point has already been made, but is worth repeating. If you gals want these game mods so much who exactly is stopping you from making them? Surely it would be a negative comment on female competence and indeed seriously disempowering of us mere males to make them for you

I have no idea, I don't want them, I prefer men who are not pixels. My question was rhethoric, and Tony may already have the answer - less females than males play games or rather, less females than males play games in the regions where females are equally or more interested in porn than males. The only region I know where females play significantly more computer games than males are in Asia, and I have no idea whether Asian women are more interested in porn than males, I've never seen any investigations of this topic. Considering the traditional gender roles in large parts of Asia, I doubt it.

Originally Posted by DW

Yep! We are stuck in the Dark Ages over here, it's why we need enlightened souls such as yourself to lead us to the promised land and away from our woefully ignorant ways

Seriously, I was going by the last study I had read on the subject. But that was some years ago; the new information is interesting. I don't suppose you'd have an English language link, would you?

Seriously, regarding gender roles you are stuck in the Dark Ages in North America compared to Scandinavia. Even populations who view themselves as very liberal (and probably correctly relative to the mainstream culture) are, with few execeptions, quite traditional compared to Scandinavia. This is most obvious in areas concerning how men and women relate to each other in sexual contact, and also with regard to sexual explicitness and the views on nudity.

The Swedish study I was referring to is unfortunately not translated to English as far as I know. The reason for this is that this and many other studies concerning the behaviour of Swedish people, are conducted by various governmental departments in order to create information for politicians to use in decisions, rather than for scientific purposes. Thus, these studies are not published in any scientific journals, they are made public in the form of official reports but not in English. Like Americans, Swedes seems to love statistics, and there is a special governmental body for statistics about every aspect of the demographics and behaviour of the Swedish population. For sexual behaviour and attitudes, there is special department as well as there are departments for political attitudes, traffic behaviour, education and what have you.

Anyway, according to the latest Swedish investigations, more Swedish women than men watch porn movies. Furthermore, more Swedish women than men participate in sex-chatting on internet and more women than men have sex with people they meet on the internet. Both men and women prefer to have sex on the first date, and both men and women think the bed is the best place to have sex in, and that intercourse from behind is the position they like best. Good that people agree on this

[Hill-Shatar]

The so called Dark Ages you mentioned ( and whereas this post is based around, North American porn)... you are aware that they are backed up by evidence right? More woman are never exposed to porn then men. Proof.

From the same link, we can come to the following conclusions:

• Men who watch porn daily Number close the five times woman, who are at 6%.
• Men who watch it several times a week are not included in the above, but are still included in the survey. Several times numbering from 2-6.
• Numbers are identical for several times a month. Note that male statistics do not include several times a week or daily statistics, while this is the largest amount for woman yet. In fact, 58% of men are already tallied at multiple times a week.
• The woman have a "twice a year" statistic. Assumptions could be based

Originally Posted by Same Article

It seems that porn plays a prominent role in the sex lives of many men, and is less a part of the sex regime of most women.

From the same article, lines are drawn between men liking "Hard-core" far more than "Soft-core", with woman hitting almost equal.

On the fourth page, men have a higher percentage of people who say that they don't mind if their partner uses porn, whereas woman have a higher pecentage saying that they would be offended.

On the fifth page, half of men that took part in the survey (compared to the 22% from woman) said that online porn had increased their consumption. Six times as many men as woman said they spend most of their time on the internet looking for porn.

On the next page, there was a small amount of woman over men who felt guilty at varying levels.

Shall we move on to other articles.

Originally Posted by Another Article

In addition, 21 percent of males confess to looking at porn online compared with just 5 percent of females, the Pew survey has found. This area is notoriously difficult to measure and may be underreported by survey respondents, Fallows said.

The next article for quote above, which was also placed here.

• More men than women view pornography on the job. Nearly one-quarter of men versus 12% of women admit accessing porn sites. But of those viewing porn sites, only 16% of men and 11% of women say they did so intentionally.

Site for above article.




My point? These Dark Ages you speak of do not exist, or, if you said it in jest, I thought best that this issue between Swedish culture and North America culture be explored. Sure, more Scandanavian woman might watch porn where you are, but this does not define, in any way, how your gender roles are different. Most woman here tend to agree with woman on similar things, but this role you spoke of that is sterotyped here is actually true and backed up on fact, that men watch more porn than women. As for Doggie-Style, well, women here agree, and I'd post proof, but the site I found it on has specific techniques also being described.

Sorry if I missed the point of your post somewhere.

[C Elegans]

Originally Posted by Hill-Shatar

My point? These Dark Ages you speak of do not exist, or, if you said it in jest, I thought best that this issue between Swedish culture and North America culture be explored. Sure, more Scandanavian woman might watch porn where you are, but this does not define, in any way, how your gender roles are different. Most woman here tend to agree with woman on similar things, but this role you spoke of that is sterotyped here is actually true and backed up on fact, that men watch more porn than women. As for Doggie-Style, well, women here agree, and I'd post proof, but the site I found it on has specific techniques also being described.

Sorry if I missed the point of your post somewhere.

I don't understand what your point is Swedish women watch more porn than men, whereas North American women watch less porn than men. This can be viewed as a marker of the more gender equal society we have in Sweden, compared to North America. Sweden is the most gender equal country in the world according to a number of international reports, for instance the UN conduct gender equality investigations regularly.

The "Dark Ages" was a joke term introduced by DW in her post to me above, which I think clearly is a joke judging from the smilies. If you are offended by this expression I am sorry. If this had been a completely serious discussion I would simply have stated that Sweden is more gender equal than North America (and the rest of the world). As you can see in my post, the joke about Dark Ages was not associated only to gender equality but also to views on nudity and sexual explicitness. In any case, if we are to discuss porn consumption as a marker for gender equality, I think the article you just posted provide evidence that there is a gender differences in North America that does not exist in Sweden. Thus, I don't at all understand how your article showing that North American women consume less porn than men shows that the "Dark Ages" I was referring to does not exist? It seems like one of your usual "reading to quick and misunderstanding the point"-events Or is it I who is reading to quickly and misunderstanding your point?

[dragon wench]

Originally Posted by C Elegans

Seriously, regarding gender roles you are stuck in the Dark Ages in North America compared to Scandinavia. Even populations who view themselves as very liberal (and probably correctly relative to the mainstream culture) are, with few exceptions, quite traditional compared to Scandinavia. This is most obvious in areas concerning how men and women relate to each other in sexual contact, and also with regard to sexual explicitness and the views on nudity.

Yes, yes....I know. We are uncultured, uncivilised heathens over on this side of the pond. Indeed, all things considered, I fully expect bolts of Swedish meatballs to reign down from the sky, smiting us all for our sins.
I mean really, we should all bow down to Ikea, it's our only chance to achieve a modicum of civilisation! Ikea even gets us out of sleeping on animal skins on the cave floor and into beds. And let's not forget those comfortable chairs that allow us to sit back and enjoy Abba

Um *cough*
As a matter of fact, in general, I agree with you. Puritanism has left a significant impact on the continent.

The Swedish study I was referring to is unfortunately not translated to English as far as I know. The reason for this is that this and many other studies concerning the behaviour of Swedish people, are conducted by various governmental departments in order to create information for politicians to use in decisions, rather than for scientific purposes. Thus, these studies are not published in any scientific journals, they are made public in the form of official reports but not in English. Like Americans, Swedes seems to love statistics, and there is a special governmental body for statistics about every aspect of the demographics and behaviour of the Swedish population. For sexual behaviour and attitudes, there is special department as well as there are departments for political attitudes, traffic behaviour, education and what have you.

Anyway, according to the latest Swedish investigations, more Swedish women than men watch porn movies. Furthermore, more Swedish women than men participate in sex-chatting on internet and more women than men have sex with people they meet on the internet. Both men and women prefer to have sex on the first date, and both men and women think the bed is the best place to have sex in, and that intercourse from behind is the position they like best. Good that people agree on this

That is unfortunate, I was looking forward to a fresh perspective on an old debate. Given your own scrupulously high standards when it comes to supplying evidence for one's statements it's really too bad you are unable to furnish us with more details, but I do understand the impossibility in this particular situation.

Going by what you say, though. It does appear that the study is very Sweden specific. It would be interesting to make global comparisons, and in particular it might be interesting to look at market studies to examine patterns of porn consumption.