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12-12-2005, 04:11 AM
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Well DJ, in many languages the church is, in fact, feminine (all the Romance languages, Dutch, German). English just lost gender for most words...  
And the Church is called the Bride of Christ in some of the Catholic Writings. So referring to the Church with feminine pronouns is OK according to dogma.
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12-12-2005, 04:17 AM
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Which is yet another contradiction, considering that God is believed to be male, the first person, Adam, is male, only priests are male, and frankly, men have more important roles and are considered more important.
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12-12-2005, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dj_venom LA, be careful about calling the Church a 'her', you are bound to have a bunch of priests running after you throwing bibles  . | Oi, no problem about that one. I can always sell them afterwards  You know, Christmas, people start getting excited about this consumism thing... 
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12-12-2005, 05:22 AM
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It's good to see you have such a deep care for how much people are into their spiritual side .
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12-12-2005, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dj_venom It's good to see you have such a deep care for how much people are into their spiritual side . | Its not really what I meant but... I listen about Christmas being a time of sharing and compassion, and I've always acted like that - however, it is not the average behavior. People tend to start thinking about the "profit" of the end of the year - your girlfriend will keep thinking about what to give and what will she receive (usually people try to balance things, cause it'd be unfair to give something and receive another thing that's only half of its value.). In fact we're just hipocrits, waiting for the Gods to wake up and smash us as "flies to the wanton boys".
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12-12-2005, 05:53 AM
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I was being sarcastic...sorry, I always forget about it not coming through well, and I was sarcastic because you contradict yourself by making profit off it etc.
But yeah, I agree with you on that point. Which is why in our family we try to set a limit on how much we spend on each other, because you don't really want someone getting something expensive, and you don't really need it.
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12-12-2005, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Phreddie I could swear it was Presbyterian... maybe it is protestant, all i know is that all presidents have been protestant/presbyterian except for JFK, who was catholic. | It stands for Protestant. Presbyterians are a protestant denomination, as are Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans and Episcopals (among others).
The scary ones (in my opinion) are the fundamentalist denominations, notably the Southern Baptist Convention as well some of the Church of Christ churches. They're who our current president belongs to.
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12-12-2005, 08:27 AM
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To answer the poll questions: - do you intend to spend more than last year or the same? (or less than last year... yeah, right, keep fooling yourself.)
I don't celebrate christmas. I don't celebrate any religious holidays since I am not religious. Thus, I spend the same as always, nothing. - how much do you spend on Christmas?
See above, nothing. - do you agree with the pope?
Not really. I think everything in modern Western society is commercialised, holidays and other things, and like Dottie pointed out, religious holidays are among the least important things that are disrupted due to commercialisation compared to vital things like education, health care and norms for how human beings should live their lifes. - should Christmas, the feast of light, be a sober celebration or a good once-per-year excuse for feasting and big spending?
What form the celebrations should have, is in my opinion completely up to the people who wish to celebrate christmas, as long as it does not hurt anyone else. Commercialisation of health care is something you cannot choose to reject, everyone needs healthcare, but commercialisation of christmas in something anyone can reject, you are not forced to buy expensive gifts and 1746829 expensive decorations. Most people I know who celebrate christmas, celebrate it as a quiet family holiday. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Lestat Anyway, Christmas is a christian feast, why hide it? If the other denominations are freeriding on the fact that a country has a (Western) christian heritage and thus a holiday on the 25th of December, they'll be able to stand a little Merry Christmassing, no?
When I got Eid-al-Fitr & Tabaski as a holiday when in a muslim country, I'm was not complaining when anyone wishes me a happy Eid-al-Fitr or happy Tabaski.
I have the idea that this political correctness is getting a bit over the top. | This I completely agree with. It's ridiculous how oversensitive some people are to the simple fact that humans vary and cultures differ. Political correctness is often based on the idea that differences are something that should be avoided, since differences equals potential that people who don't think exactly the same will take offense. It is bascially a lack of acceptance for these differences. Everybody must think the same and have the same norms, otherwise it is threatning and somebody may take offense, oh horror of horrors. Disallowing the expression "Merry christmas" instead of acknowledging that christmas, chanukah or ramadan and eid-al-fitr are religious holidays that have equal value and meaning to the people who believe in these religions, is in my opinion a development in the wrong direction.
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12-12-2005, 09:17 AM
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| | - do you intend to spend more than last year or the same? (or less than last year... yeah, right, keep fooling yourself.)
Possibly not more, at least not much. It just depends on many things. - how much do you spend on Christmas?
Hardly more than any other time. Sometimes I buy a new game or film, and of course some presents to closest relatives. - do you agree with the pope?
As said before, Church is way too late. - should Christmas, the feast of light, be a sober celebration or a good once-per-year excuse for feasting and big spending?
Well, nothing new in my opinions, everybody can have their own way to celebrate Christmas
First, if we think Chirstmas in point of history, it's not originally Christian event, like so many others, but just a day when originally celebrated something totally different, but which was replaced by Church to gain more control over society and people living in countryside.
Also, IMO Church is putting too much it's nose to different things. Because of todays world is so global, different cultures live together, there is no point to try to include religion to every aspect of life and world. One of such aspects are holidays. Chirstmas is general holiday in todays world, especially in western world. So, why should we think Chirstmas only as Christian celebration? The same goes to different laws and such. For example, priests tried to get the politicians to forbid different things, only because Bible did'n talk about those things or those were forbidden in Bible. And is it right that I can't do something otherwise okay, just because the religion that I don't believe denies it?
After that rambling (I hope someone got my point from it   ), I must agree that Christmas has got too materialistic. But, what in todays world is not more or less materialistic? Can you honestly give any answer to that?
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12-13-2005, 09:15 PM
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*rockets into the materialism polluting christmas thread in my horse drawn sleigh to hijack a bunch of religious freaks' ideas that there might be something strange about this holiday frenzy*
Ho,ho,ho!
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12-13-2005, 09:19 PM
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*Takes Delorean into thread.*
Hang on hill!
Oh, cantt spam this, so Id have to say that christmas is getting to commerciallized, but I dont think you should spend all day praying, I think you should spend it with your family IMHO.
off to do my deft delorean driving duties.
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