IMO: Greenpeace=morons

[CopperWater]

I always hated liberals, animal rights acitivist and other assorted hippies. They merely talk about how horrible the 'white man' is but never does anything about it. My aunt is a super liberal, constantly talking about how racist everyone but she is and how badly we treat people of other races. But she is the one living in the mansion in Whitey Town, USA. She isnt the one living in a once decent neighborhood now ruined by crack addicts and gangsters. Sure many people come to America hoping to get a job and learn english as a secound language. Not my neighbors. Sure the homeowners are nice mexican-americans but the dozen people who live in their 2 bedroom house are prefect examples of who you find jumping over fences on an episode of Cops. And the animal rights activists, dont get me started. I have a reason to also. Keiko, loved resident of Oregons aquarium and star of Free Willy. Every chance i got to see him he allways appeared as happy a killer whale could be, mainly because he had never lived in the ocean. He was born in mexico and then transported to the much better tank in oregon. But no, greenpeace 'knew' that he must be so depressed and wishing for the open sea. So they take him, place him in greenland, fail to teach him to feed himself, fail at numerous other attempts to teach him things that he never even began to imagine. Then what happens? He dies! Who killed Keiko? Not the men who caged him but the fools who tried to 'free' him from a prison he didnt even know about and didnt care about.

[C Elegans]

I agree with you that all ignorant people who over-generalise from their own erranous beliefs about something, are morons.

I know the Keiko story (it was outside Iceland btw, not Greenland although it is pretty close) and I think Greenpeace does a lot of stupid things, but can you please explain how the limited anecdotal evidence you present in your post is a basis for "hating liberals, animal rights acitivist and other assorted hippies" and claiming that they all share one opinion, namely "how horrible the 'white man'" is? First, for your post to contain any meaning at all, a definition of "liberals, animal rights acitivist and other assorted hippies" is needed so if you could start with that?

[Paranitis]

The thing I hate is when people use the term "liberal" as a dirty word. Liberal means open-minded and liking change. "conservative" means close-minded and hating anything new.

I consider myself a liberal as the true definition states it.

Yes, I agree with the hippy-peace-love bullcrap..these types of people like to tell everyone else they are wrong because they say so. That is also the same thing as the far right conservatives. If you aren't a christian you are bad, if you are gay you are immoral, etc etc.

Anyone who tries to force their way of life on anyone is who I hate. Who cares if your aunt says she isn't racist and lives in a mansion away from "ethnic" people..maybe it's because the ethnic people haven't earned their way upto her status yet. I doubt she would move away if a rich mexican family moved next door.

All I hear in this post so far is "waaah wah..liberals wah"

[CopperWater]

I suppose instead of liberal i should have used Democrat or Kerry-Supporter. Keiko likely was what installed my hate towards animal rights activists, he was a 'star' in my state and one of the biggest things in my childhood life.

[C Elegans]

@Copperwater: Ok, so by hating Kerry-supporters you hate almost half of the US population based on whether they prefer Kerry or Bush. Plus the animal rightists (which? all? there are many different types) and "assorted hippies" (what on earth is that? define please).

Is your hate towards these groups of people PTSD-induced?

[Paranitis]

I supported Kerry over Bush..but I would have supported a salt packet over Kerry. Bush is a freaking moron, Kerry was a change of pace, and he lost.

I am fine with animal rights activists..BUT it ends with EXTREME activists such as PETA. Anyone who says I am wrong for eatting meat needs to be kicked in the face. If someone is beating up their dog then I am fully on the side of animal rights activists..if a whale was an adult and was captured in the wild then they should be released. BUT if the animal has been in captivity for a year or long enough to learn 'tricks' then they are screwed and would be better off living in captivity.

[CopperWater]

I dont realy hate Kerry, or kerry-supporters. I hate the way they act. Threatening to move to Canada? Calling Bush a moron? Last I checked Bush was Americas president and as an American myself I respect my president and if you dont like him, move to Canada. We dont need you. You dont have to agree with him but give him respect he deserves as president. If people acted the way they do now back in WW1, Americans would be speaking german now. We need to trust our president and we need to do away with the media. Who cares about Abu-Grahd? Terroists are cutting our mens head off with rusty blades but we only care about how horrible people are for making them get in a naked pile. But i am getting into a totaly different subject.

[C Elegans]

@CopperWater: Your reasoning seems very illogical. You polarise unrelated things, and also connect other unrelated things. For instance, there is no contradiction between being against Iraqi terrorists taking hostages and murdering them and also being against lack of moral in the US army and committing warcrimes. Two wrongs don't make a right, you know.

Originally Posted by Copperwater

If people acted the way they do now back in WW1, Americans would be speaking german now

Huh? What do you mean by this statement? Can you explain further?

[dragon wench]

It seems to me, Copperwater, that you simply have a problem with people who don't share your views

Rather than telling your fellow Americans that they should move to Canada, perhaps you yourself should consider moving to some despotic nation that does not allow for a plurality of opinions.

[fable]

Originally Posted by CopperWater

I dont realy hate Kerry, or kerry-supporters. I hate the way they act. Threatening to move to Canada? Calling Bush a moron?

By my recollection, Kerry supporters have long been calling Bush a moron, and Bush supporters have long been calling Kerry a traitor. Many people called Clinton worse, even though he was elected twice. Do you feel that those who call Kerry a traitor should shut up? If this blanket policy only affects presidents, then did you hate those who laughed at Clinton who picked on him when he was in the White House?

Last I checked Bush was Americas president and as an American myself I respect my president and if you dont like him, move to Canada.

So you're saying that if you don't like the elected president, you should be forced to move to Canada? If the person elected is one you dislike, you have to keep your mouth shut, smile a lot, and move in lockstep like they did after the National Socialists' rise to power in Weimar Germany? What became of the American willingness to permit dissent as freedom of expression?

[Volk]

Why in gods name is it that whenever a thread turns into discussing the rights and wrongs of Bush and Kerry, WW1, WW2 or Hitler all come into the discussion, Bush has NOTHING to do with any of that, neither dose Kerry.

If Americans feel Bush is dooing a bad job yes indeed they CAN move to Canada, but they do have a right to complain if they voted and arent satisfied with who won the election and what hes dooing with the country, but its no ones right to tell someone that if they dont like it they should move to Canada.

As for trusting the president, there is such a thing called blind trust, its what happens when a people belive their leader has all the answers and that if they go to war kill and die for him and his ideals all will be fine. Anyone who knows a bit of history knows what i meen so i wont resort to another war cliche, if a people cannot question the actions of its leader, nothing goods going to happen.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Volk

Why in gods name is it that whenever a thread turns into discussing the rights and wrongs of Bush and Kerry, WW1, WW2 or Hitler all come into the discussion,

Maybe because one of the first moves the Nationalist Socialists (and Mussolini, for that matter, in Italy) instituted was placing youth groups among crowds to remove and beat up those who booed and heckled--on the grounds that they were the elected party, and it showed disrespect to the state to do such a thing, making those who heckled, traitors. To me, there is an eerie echo of this in the desire of modern neo-con supporters (who in many cases heckled Clinton endlessly while he was in office) who insist that heckling or badmouthing Bush amounts to being traitors.

[Maharlika]

I strongly suggest that you take deep breaths before posting. Apparently your emotions are getting the better of you.

Last I checked Bush was Americas president and as an American myself I respect my president and if you dont like him, move to Canada.

I think that such a statement is said in bad taste. Given the context of your statement, it seems that you see Canada as a dumping ground of undesirables.

Please be more discreet when voicing your opinions.

Thanks.

[CopperWater]

I dont know, chances are i am just a blind conformist that those goth kids at my schools always complain about but I just know that you should respect the president, even if you dont like him. Because how do we look to the rest of the world when half of us is bashing our leader? And i didnt say that people who hate the president should be forced to move elsewhere. If they truely dont like him they can leave if they wish or sit and wait it out for 4 more years.

[C Elegans]

@Copperwater: How old are you? Judging from the reasoning in your posts you may be quite young. I think it would be a good idea to think through what you really think about things, and to have the goal that you should collect a lot of information before forming opinions. One should not have opinions without knowing why one has them, you need to form a solid ground of a values and a moral system of your own. Otherwise you risk just being manipulated by others who have more power, and become a mindless instruments at the hands of politicans, media and other interest groups.

You say that one should respect the president even if you don't like him. Why? Then the US could as well be a dictatorship? The point with democracy and free speach is that people are allowed to hold different opinions and that they can protest if they think the goverment is wrong.