Hating your own people

[CM]

Over the past 7 months i have been working for the Pakistan Mission and for the past 3 months i have come to the realization that 90% of the Pakistani population does not deserve to breath air. Its astonishing how many bad things i can attribute to my people that has caused my view to be such. I am gonna get personal but i am seriously worried i am turning into a racist against my people. If or when i do seriously consider this, it would very easily limit my chances of moving back to Pakistan if i do. Anyway any help and advise would be appreciated once you know what has happened over the past 2 months.

1. The entire Pakistani population of geneva for some god forsaken reason loves to discuss me. There have been two cases in the past 5 months. One is where a good friend of my from my college meet this Pakistani girl at work. He was just talking and mentioned he had a Pakistani friend. Her first statement was "Oh Fas, the guy who studied at <name of my undergrad college>. His dad is so and so right?". Of course he being a good friend calls me up after the conversation ends and says this cute girl knows you. Like any heterosexual male i ask who and i am given a description of this female who knows quite a bit about me. Obviously i am shocked and have started avoiding the pakistani community here.

The second well chronologically the first time was when i moved back to geneva. I was informed by some random guy on the street that his mother and her friends were wondering if i needed help and how my work was getting along at the place i was working. Now before you think it was some friendly help, i will inform you that i have since the age of 12 avoided the Pakistani community where ever i have lived as they always use me to get my father to do favours for them. I learnt at an early age on who to trust an dwho not to. Secondly nobody knew where i was working or that i had moved to geneva that would have any contact with Pakistanis. I have a very strict evaluation system for the Pakistanis i meet. All my friends here are non Pakistanis. I have more indian friends than Pakistanis.

That was on the personal level. But just on a more societal level, i am shocked the pakistanis i have met at the mission and through the mission act. They are two faced if not three faced. Back biting is the norm. Rumors and gossiping is a national passtime and greatly encouraged. If someone is moving ahead pull them back down. Its just frustrating. I cant find a single redeeming quality in the average pakistani who has been brought in Pakistan.

All my pakistani friends are based in the UK or the US and they have lived like me abroad for a long time. They have the same moral values as me. The Pakistani's i have met from back home cant even spell morals and i am not talking bout literacy.

Am i the only one who hates his own people? Luckily most of my friends feel the same way but not as harshly as i do.

You want the world to be a better place? Kill off 90% of the worlds Pakistanis and you shall have that.

[Opalescence]

Well that's interesting. Where I come from, what you're suggesting is called treachery. I can't imagine turning my back on my own people, but then again my people haven't done anything to me.

For the most part, people don't care who I am because my family is quite average. Nobody's trying to butter me up to get to my father, so I wouldn't know how that feels or what it's like. However, I'd imagine that if your father is somebody, than perhaps it shouldn't surprise you that the Pakistani community would try to use you to get to him. If my father were, say, the US ambassador to China, I'm sure the Chinese people would try to use me to get to my dad too. It's in human nature to do this. Can't get to the target directly, you try indirectly. I'm sure they tried every one of your father's relatives and loved ones.

I say you should be happy and proud of your father and just ignore that 90% you're talking about. If it's really that bad out there I'm not terribly surprised. The fact that human beings in general are self-serving idiots is probably the worst-kept secret ever. So don't worry. If 90% of Pakistanis don't deserve to breathe air, they're in good company.

[Morril]

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Originally Posted by CM You want the world to be a better place? Kill off 90% of the worlds Pakistanis and you shall have that.

Somehow I doubt that killing 90% of the pakistanis would make the world a better place....
And what makes you think that what you tells only is true about pakiastanis people? Maybe it is general and is true for all nationality?
So you suggest we kill 90% of the world

[Weasel]

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Originally Posted by CM 1. The entire Pakistani population of geneva for some god forsaken reason loves to discuss me. All my pakistani friends are based in the UK or the US and they have lived like me abroad for a long time. They have the same moral values as me. The Pakistani's i have met from back home cant even spell morals and i am not talking bout literacy.

Would you consider the Pakistani population in geneva in a sense as poor as the ones in your home country?

Or am I missing the point in the way you mean morals?

If it's the first, I would find it hard to believe 90%, but I wouldn't doubt the number would be high (like IMHO in any country in the world) at least higher than 'both of us' think it should be. The ability to refrain from 'using' another for gain is a high hill to climb when you are poor.

*note 'both of us' referring the light/view we see human kind in. The opposite would be the sad view of human kind.

If this doesn't make sense, blame my ability to fail to communicate.

[Aegis]

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Originally Posted by Morril Somehow I doubt that killing 90% of the pakistanis would make the world a better place.... And what makes you think that what you tells only is true about pakiastanis people? Maybe it is general and is true for all nationality? So you suggest we kill 90% of the world

I'm all for that... Let's start with the majority of us dumbasses in North America...

[Aqua-chan]

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Originally Posted by Aegis I'm all for that... Let's start with the majority of us dumbasses in North America...

There goes the neighborhood.

The United States, despite what most of the world thinks at this point, does not have anyone in it that deserves to be killed because they are "dumbasses". I've learned that dumbass is the term people give to other people when they don't approve of actions or beliefs. Hence why most politicians are dumbasses. Even so, they don't deserve to die for it. Or, I believe they don't, at the very least.

We call them idiots, they call us idiots, and suddenly we're all killed for being idiots.

[Ekental]

Theres a quote somewhere... by someone fairly famous, I can't remember it, but it goes something like:
"I like the Johns, the Smiths, the Camerons etc. its the whole group called Man that I can't stand"
Oh wait... it was Swift! Awesome satirist!
I think it sums this up nicely

[Nightmare]

Die, idiots, die!

*dies*

[CM]

I will try to be more coherent this time around. I will answer the questions before I reply to the comments. Weasel put it this way, with the exception of my ambassador, all the people at the mission are extremely small minded. Heck they would argue over who got the bigger desk. It was appalling. 3 new officiers have moved in as part of the mission and these are educated people who are going to represent my country but they start squabbling on the first day. They are really arrogant as well. They consider anybody below themselves in stature or position to be sub-servient and females in general to be considered as personal secretaries. Dont get me started on the lower staff who is responsible for the general administrative tasks.

I have been in switzerland for 5 years, yet i personally dont know any Pakistani family here. I realize that my father did that on purpose, and a wise decision. An example some on from the mission was sending his kid off to an Ivy league school. First reaction would have been good for the kid right? If you are pakistani wrong. Some family basically got hold of the financial aid application before it got to the mail and never sent it in. So the kid couldnt get to go. No cash. Turned out some one rated out the family and welcome to a small war.

I mean stuff like that makes my blood boil and it is not the only small incident. Of course then is the religious issue. Some Pakistani's dont shop at the this certain shop because he supports this political party. Others dont associate with certain people because their families are too religious and pray 5 times a day.

As for poor, these people are poor in a sense of right and wrong they have no morality. Yet they are bloody rich. They belong to the UN, MNCs, the mission and Banks. It is just appalling. They would be considered the top 10% of the wealthy in Geneva. I mean salaries in 100,000s of dollars. Yet they are so morally void its just shocking. They hold on to just stupid customs of a caste system. Can you believe that a pakistani doesnt visit another pakistani family because he is a of a lower cast, even though the one of the lower caste is his superior in the same division at the bank. Heck they dont even talk to each other as lower caste individual has a better job and that goes against the natural order of things.

I need to go cool down will comment later on.

[Maharlika]

In an odd kind of way, I see your point and that I could relate...

...however, I wouldn't go as far as 90% of the total Philippine population.

What you have just related is what we call the "Crab Mentality" wherein we pull people down or we step on other people just to get to the top.

[Morril]

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Originally Posted by CM Can you believe that a pakistani doesnt visit another pakistani family because he is a of a lower cast, even though the one of the lower caste is his superior in the same division at the bank. Heck they dont even talk to each other as lower caste individual has a better job and that goes against the natural order of things. .

Interesting. Doesn't it give conflicts on the job when a superior (who is from a lower caste) gives orders to people who have higher caste

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Originally Posted by CM I need to go cool down will comment later on.

Please take a cool shower, relax and come back

[Vicsun]

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Originally Posted by Opalescence Well that's interesting. Where I come from, what you're suggesting is called treachery. I can't imagine turning my back on my own people...

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but this caught my attention. Out of curiosity, where are you from?

[Brynn]

CM, this is a really weird situation. I don't really understand this 'cast' thing. (obviously b/c I live in a different culture). What makes you belong to a certain cast? Your financial state or sg like that? How many casts are there?

So those people who move e.g to Europe, still live according to this principle, right? But they can treat only the Pakistanis this way, 'cause European people are not is casts... So what's the point? I really don't get it, but I'd like to understand.

(Er... I can see this whole thing really disturbs you so if you are tired of explaining this, just ignore my question, ok? )

[Lost One]

I wouldn't go so far as calling what he feels treachery, as the meaning of the word suggests something deeper, such as actively betraying your country. It can be seen, however, as simply anti-nationalism sentiment.

I have made some good Pakistani friends IRL when I was younger, and I just think that you have come across some bad examples of them perhaps. As such, I will say that silly bickering, religious extremism, and in-fighting happens everywhere in the world, not just with Pakistans. Of course, it sounds like you are against the Pakistan culture, and I don't see this as a bad thing. Countries only evolve with change, and if everyone loved their country so much that they clinged to every part of their culture, well, there would be no change. No evolution. We might as well have stayed in the Stone Age.

Thus, admitting that there are wrong things with your culture is a healthy thing.

[Sojourner]

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Originally Posted by CM I will try to be more coherent this time around. I will answer the questions before I reply to the comments. Weasel put it this way, with the exception of my ambassador, all the people at the mission are extremely small minded.

*chuckles* Welcome to the world of Consular beauracracy, wherein one must almost always have to restrain the urge to strangle most of its denizens. Which reminds me... *grumble*