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03-11-2002, 11:13 AM
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right...here we all are. inspired by the '3 Favourite Bands' thread, and the sad death of Debate mkI, I am here to propose another question. I am intersted in that guy who made a cast of his own head out of his own blood, and one of his baby son out of the placenta. The guys who throw paint on canvass (randomly?) in splotches also come into it.
Here's the question:
IN ART, IS THE OBJECT CREATED MORE IMPORTANT THAN HOW IT WAS CREATED?
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03-11-2002, 11:30 AM
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Depends on how you define "ART".
In my opinion it's not art to dump some colour randomly on canvas and give it a fancy name...my kids do that all the time...there's even an orang-utan at the Zoo in vienna who "paints" something which is called art by some people...
So in my opinion the way it was created is more important than the object in itself...
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03-11-2002, 11:39 AM
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I couldn't agree more Beldin, I don't like Turner prize art that involves leaving bedrooms dirty and dusty and calling that art. It doesn't seem 'talented' to me.
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03-11-2002, 11:49 AM
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So in my opinion the way it was created is more important than the object in itself...
| so, take the Rothko red squares....are they bad because the object of a red square is not stimulating and interesting like a Bible scene, say, or are they bad because there was no skill involved in making them?
I think this thread might not last because there might not be anyone in here who actually does like 'Turner Prize' art...but I would like to add a further complication:
take Michelangelo (for an example): I believe that Michelangelo is the greatest artist who has ever lived because I think that his art is the most expressive ever created.
Would you like the red squares, or paint splatters more if the artist had spent a long time making them, and had had to study for years to gain the neccesary skill to create them?
Also, would you appreciate classic work more if it had sprung from the artist as easily as paint splatting does? If the artist had never doen any work or study to be able to create their art?
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03-11-2002, 11:57 AM
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I'm not an artist myself, but I think "art" is something that not EVERYBODY and his granddad could reproduce at will....
I hope I can get my meaning across, I'm literally lost for (english) words here... 
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03-11-2002, 12:18 PM
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| | Quote: Originally posted by Nippy
Hey, I agree, so you know you got through to one person!  | Talking about art....
Do you think SYM has contributed to the artform of ....ahhhhm.... SOMETHING yet ?
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Well ART is not my kind of thing so I'll pass on this discussion 
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| | Quote: Originally posted by Nippy
I couldn't agree more Beldin, I don't like Turner prize art that involves leaving bedrooms dirty and dusty and calling that art. It doesn't seem 'talented' to me. | It is also a great dis-respect to Turner, who could actually paint with great skill.
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It is also a great dis-respect to Turner, who could actually paint with great skill. | Well, I've never seen any of his work so I wouldn't know, but I know that art is something that takes time, talent and skill. When I see one of the exhibits of this Turner prize (a room which had a light flicking on and off) it fills me with a little bit of anger that that can actually be considered art.
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03-11-2002, 01:20 PM
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| | Quote: Originally posted by Nippy
it fills me with a little bit of anger that that can actually be considered art. |
Correct. 
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03-11-2002, 03:15 PM
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good good..anyway remember, no spam please (you too nips )
I just mean this (@beldin): Isn't it true that a work of art would become no less great if all of a sudden somebdy discovered that it had actually been done by a twelve year old in ten minutes. Would that make it worse? Of course it wouldn't. The only quality which a painting has is in the painting. A painting is created with certain qualities: the red squares for example, are created with qualities of squareness, redness, and expressivity of anger (some claim). These qualities are all inherent in the painting. A painting is nothing but paint on a canvas. Therefore one cannot change the qualities inherent in a painting by any means other than changing the painting itself.
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03-11-2002, 03:29 PM
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also, to firm the ground up a little bit, let's define art: I think that art is anything which has the qualities of having been created by a human with the purpose of moving other humans emotionally and which can portray the artists ideas directly, but through a medium.
I am not at all sure that this is the whole meaning or even entirely truthful so feel free to correct me at will and add whatever you want.
ps where are you from Bel?
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