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11-20-2001, 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Minerva:
<STRONG>I have all original CD-ROMs and disks (being a good computer user ). Still, it's always worrying to reformat the hard drive.</STRONG>
| Well you're certainly a better user than me - no backup, no sys.disks etc.
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Originally posted by Minerva:
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Does Microsoft expect us to understand that? I can't even imagine what type of files/programmes they are, like .exe or .sys ...
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| Nope they are error messages for the programmers. Adresses in the files, modules. (hex-numbers) useally they deliver a filename also - unless it is sever windows problems  Quote:
Originally posted by Yshania:
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@Minerva - I donot remember - but does Win 98 offer you the chance to run System Restore? This will restore your system settings to an earlier (chosen) date.
Each day your registry and system settings are backed up - running Sys Restore could take you back to before your problems started - and is reversable if problematic...
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| Nope - IIRC it was a WinME and later feature.
But be very careful with such a restore, becasue if a virus gets into your system (for example) and doesn't start creating havoc soon, it will be backed up together with the rest of your system  | | |
11-20-2001, 09:48 AM
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@Minrva in Win ME Sys Restore can be found in System Tools/System Informaion in the 'Tools' drop down menu.
It will take your system back to a more stable point in time...you choose the date, I believe it keeps information for three weeks or so...
You will not lose any data files - but may have to install one or two programmes  Quote:
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Well you're certainly a better user than me - no backup, no sys.disks etc.
(real men don't backup - real men cry a lot )
| LMAO! Quote:
Posted by Xan -
Nope - IIRC it was a WinME and later feature.
But be very careful with such a restore, becasue if a virus gets into your system (for example) and doesn't start creating havoc soon, it will be backed up together with the rest of your system
| Hmmm...but it will be backed up anyway won't it? The Reg automatically backs up...
Well - Sys Restore worked for me - as a last resort...
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11-20-2001, 09:53 AM
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Well, I don't know 98 that good, being as I work with NT all day, but I don't believe you can fix this problem any other way excapt to format and do a clean install.
I know the restore option is availabe for Me and XP, but I don't think you can do anything with 98 registry in this situation, unless you are brave enough to actually go into the registry itself and poke around. Personally, I ain't 
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11-20-2001, 09:57 AM
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Thanks guys. I'm off to catch the last bus home, and try if I can do anything about my computer.
See you.
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11-20-2001, 10:01 AM
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Laters, Minerva - good luck!
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11-21-2001, 04:51 AM
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| | UPDATE: Minerva computer problem still continues
Despite of the Yshania's luck, my computer is still refusing to work properly.
Minerva's comment: "I want to cry...  "
Okay, I went through Troubleshooting process via Safe Mode, and started with config.sys, autoexec.bat etc to identify if there's any particular line causing my computer problem.
I found "Image" programme was the cause to start Windows, so I removed it. (I knew that programme is up to no good. I should have removed it long time ago.  )
Now, I can start Windows, though I bypassed all start up programmes by using Msconfig, just in case.
However, when I tried to do something, ie. save a document onto a floopy, it goes to the blue screen with "fatal error" message, then the screen froze (I could still use mouse, though). I used Alt+Ctlr+Del to check which programme was causing the problem, and found it's "Explorer". Of course, if I "end the task", whole screen went blank.
Also, sometimes it didn't freeze the screen and went back to the main windows screen. But I got "active desktop error", even after I turned off the background. The background had gone white with the message and icons. Very bizzare...
I suspect the original problem was caused by Image, trying to create image while Windows was doing something else, then broke both.
The Win98 Troubleshooting suggested to "reinstall Windows", but without any mention of "back up" or "reformat". Is it possible to reinstall it over the current system? As I mentioned above, I cannot send any files to anywhere, thus I cannot save anything onto my CD-RW. If I can reinstall windows, then save files I want to keep, I will reformat the whole hard drive, and reinstall windows (again) etc.
Sorry, I know it's confusing, because I'm confused...
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11-21-2001, 06:29 AM
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Active desktop might still be on even if you haven't got a background, right click on desktop --> Properties --> got to the web tab and then click the "view my active desktop as a web pages" so the box is blank That should stop that problem
Well explorer is necessary to run the computer, Explorer and Systray are the only programs one needs to keep a machine running
Have you got any peripherals like Printers and Scanners attached to your machine?
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11-21-2001, 06:35 AM
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11-21-2001, 06:38 AM
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You should be able to re-install windows over the top of the current one, do you have DOS support for your CD -Rom drive? Also you can go to Windows Explorer, go to D and double click setup
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11-21-2001, 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by Minerva:
<STRONG>I have printer attached, but cannot use. Each time I tried (ie. to print the Troubleshooting pages), the "fatal error" message appeared.</STRONG>
| What printer is it? Is it a HP?
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11-21-2001, 06:42 AM
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Minerva, I had problems with the Nortons system works, with windows 98. You might need to get more RAM, the System Works uses alot of it. The other problem might be Windows 98 itself, it would depend on the version of it.
The other problem could be the Celeron Processor. Find out what you motherboard is and goto it's website. Check to see if you can upgrade your processor. If you need help please email me, I might have some Ideas that could help you.
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11-21-2001, 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by Darkpoet:
<STRONG>Check to see if you can upgrade your processor. </STRONG>
| Are you working for Intel 
I have a celeron, never had any problems like this relating to a celeron.
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11-21-2001, 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>You should be able to re-install windows over the top of the current one, do you have DOS support for your CD -Rom drive? </STRONG>
| I'm not sure if my CD-RW has a dos support, but I might be able to use my old CD-ROM, which originally came with the computer. Quote: |
Also you can go to Windows Explorer, go to D and double click setup | I don't think I can go to Windows Explorer to do something. I'll try.
And, yes, it's HP printer.
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11-21-2001, 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Darkpoet:
<STRONG>Minerva, I had problems with the Nortons system works, with windows 98. You might need to get more RAM, the System Works uses alot of it. The other problem might be Windows 98 itself, it would depend on the version of it.
The other problem could be the Celeron Processor. Find out what you motherboard is and goto it's website. Check to see if you can upgrade your processor. If you need help please email me, I might have some Ideas that could help you.</STRONG>
| I've never had problem with the Celeron (shake hands with Mr Sleep ), or anything else on my computer. I don't think it's hardware problem.
I'm quite sure it's something to do with Norton's programmes AND Windows. Having said that, more RAM makes sense, as I did get a few messages "the resources are dangerously low", even before this crash happned.
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11-21-2001, 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Minerva:
<STRONG>I'm not sure if my CD-RW has a dos support, but I might be able to use my old CD-ROM, which originally came with the computer.</STRONG>
| Well it doesn't necessarily need Writing support, just support for it to function in dos as a drive letter. You probably had a disk with your CD-RW with DOS drivers on it. Quote:
<STRONG>I don't think I can go to Windows Explorer to do something. I'll try.
And, yes, it's HP printer.
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| Well uninstall your HP printer, quite often they have active Printer checkers, that might be causing a problem.
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