Bush and the 22nd amendment

[Phreddie]

Am I the only one who thinks that Bush will try to get congress to repeal the 22nd amendment (The president canot hold his office for more than two terms or ten years)? It seems to me that hes the kind of power hungry naz.. republican who would do that jsut so he could finish "daddy's war", and start his own war with north korea, as well as prove that osama bin laden is hiding in Alaska (which apparently is owned by france ) with saddams wmds. (are theother two letters in bushs middle name "md" cuz he sure does act liek one.) One thing i will say for him though is that hes got big balls... can we say that here?... because no one starts a war KNOWING that the reason they are starting it is a lie with out 'em.



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[Chimaera182]

The idea occurred to me, but I dismissed it as rather farfetched. Honestly, there has to be a genuine crisis, and Bush has to show himself as being a superlative leader in that time of crisis, in order for something like that to occur.

[fable]

The president canot hold his office for more than two terms or ten years)?

Two terms or eight years, not ten. Each term is four years.

Bush's policies have come home to roost--in part--and his popularity is plummeting. The case of the CIA agent whose cover was blown because her husband wrote a book bashing Bush looks like it's going to finally topple the president's good friend, Carl Rove. The Republican leaders of the House and Senate are quite possibly going to be dismissed from office for unethical conduct. Shrub's foreign policies have completely alienated most of his former allies, who are willing to let the US twist in the wind over Iraq. And the biggest bear of them from a standpoint of domestic votes, the faltering economy, is just standing around the corner.

I'm sure Bush has no interest in serving any longer than he is. It's one thing to remain in office while you can relish the power it gives over everybody. It's entirely another when they generally hate and make fun of you.

[Phreddie]

Truth is spoken but bush is the kinda guy who wouldnt care (and not because he is above ti all more like he is below) and i was right its two terems or ten yrs look it up, I got a test on tihs next class so...) the ten years is for any vice president who comes into office after president is impeached or assassinated dies etc. and serves ONLY two years of that term, if he serves 3 than it counts as one term if two then no.. it kind of makes sense.

[Xandax]

I have changed the name of the thread to something which is relevant.
Don't make threads to simply "bash" people - even if you disagree with their views and dislike them.


Secondly - stop using the "naz..", which if I read correct you is supposed to be a referecne to "nazi".
You might not like the republican party or Bush, but unless you back up your reference to the nazistic party of Germany circa WW2, then such a line is pure trolling and only meant as being an insult. And trolling is not wanted at GameBanshee.

Edit: Also calling people who support Bush mentaly retarted is not within the forum rules. People have political opinions for many reasons, you can agree or disagree and provide logical reasons for why you dislike Bush, but don't blatantly insult others who doesn't see things as you do.

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[Aegis]

Something that has to be understood about the Bush administration is that, for how he wants it run, he is doing an incredable job. It is foolish to believe that Bush went into the running in order to actually govern the American nation. It is more feasible a thought that his presence in the White house is one of being the head of a corporation.

Bush is simply the front man for other people like Tom DeLay, Carl Rove, Mike Brown, and Dic! Cheney. Since his inaugiration, Bush has done exactly what he intended to do (and no, it wasn't finish Daddy's war in Iraq, contrary to popular belief). He has made himself, and his friends within this 'corporation' of his a lot of money. He looked at the presidency from the perspective of a venture capitalist, and guess what, his gamble paid off for him.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Phreddie

Truth is spoken but bush is the kinda guy who wouldnt care (and not because he is above ti all more like he is below) and i was right its two terems or ten yrs look it up, I got a test on tihs next class so...) the ten years is for any vice president who comes into office after president is impeached or assassinated dies etc. and serves ONLY two years of that term, if he serves 3 than it counts as one term if two then no.. it kind of makes sense.

If any president were to die two years into a term, then their vice president would serve out the remaining term. Thus, if Bush were to die in 2006, Cheney would be president through 2008, just as Bush would have been. Two terms = eight years, not ten, under any circumstances.

[HighLordDave]

Under the terms of the 22nd Amendment, it is possible for someone to be president for 10 years.

The text of the Amendment reads "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once."

Thus, someone who became president two years into someone else's term could serve out that term and then be elected twice. However, if they became president one year into someone else's term, they could only run for re-election once.

You can read the full text of the 22nd Amendment here.

[fable]

So Phreddie didn't mean it as applying to Bush, or a ten-year presidency for him? I'm getting more confused by that first post, all the time.

[Xandax]

Originally Posted by fable

So Phreddie didn't mean it as applying to Bush, or a ten-year presidency for him? I'm getting more confused by that first post, all the time.

I think he was meaning 10 years in general, not 10 years for Bush. Bush can't hold 10 years in office, as stated by HLDs post.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Xandax

I think he was meaning 10 years in general, not 10 years for Bush. Bush can't hold 10 years in office, as stated by HLDs post.

OK: that I can see. His focus on Bush in the thread title was a bit misleading, then.

To date, the US has had 4 presidents who were assassinated in office: Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy. Both Lincoln's and Garfield's successors each served out the remainder of those terms, but lacked the political clout to gain their party's nomination and run on their own for the presidency. The successors of McKinley and Kennedy both finished out their predecessor's terms, and one more on their own. Johnson, Kennedy's successor, had initially intended to run again, but decided against it because he had become very unpopular due to the continuing Vietnam War.

Teddy Roosevelt, McKinley's successor, could easily have served a second term on his own, but preferred a multitude of other tasks. When his former vice-president, Howard Taft, turned out to be a supporter of the very trusts and monopolies Roosevelt fought, the latter decided to run again. This caused the Republican Party to split, with Roosevelt on his own Bullmoose ticket--and the extremely conservative Democrat Woodrow Wilson walked into office.

We've also had presidents who died in office from sickness, but again, none have been succeeded by vice presidents who subsequently served two terms on their own. The only president to date to serve more than two terms was Franklin Roosevelt, who used the continuing international Depression and WWII as reasons to "stay the course." He died during his 4th term, a feeble man at the last who was responsible, along with Churchill, for allowing Stalin to conquer unopposed Eastern Europe.

Ten years as president seems too long for most Americans, I think. Some, such as myself, dislike even eight. Personally, I prefer the solution to the executive branch of government provided in the Confederate Constitution: a one-term, six year presidency, with a line item veto.

[Phreddie]

Originally Posted by fable

Personally, I prefer the solution to the executive branch of government provided in the Confederate Constitution: a one-term, six year presidency, with a line item veto.

Sounds reasonable to me, im just mad i dont get to cast a vote against bush, thats why im almsot hoping he WILL try to change the afore mentioned amendment.

[CM]

The issue that everybody assumed he meant bush, incorrectly. He states obviously the 22nd amendment and then proceeds to put down the legal definition in bracketts. The issue at hand of Bush repealing the 22nd amendment is not possible. The senate would need i believe 67 votes to repeal it, though I do believe no single amendment has been repealed in US history. Don't quote me on that, but is there any precedent for repealing an amendment?

[Phreddie]

Prohibition

[Chimaera182]

You might've provided a little background for CM.

The Prohibition Act was an amendment which banned the sale of alcoholic products. That was a real gem in the crown of stupidity. Too many people enjoyed the fun that is alcohol, and when the government shut down all the "legal" avenues for obtaining beer, the criminal elements stepped in. Beer was now being funneled through the black market, and this presented a whole host of other problems (one of them being giving money to criminals). So people found a way around the Prohibition Act, and because so many people wanted beer back (and other political reasons that someone else can bring up), Prohibition was repealed by a later amendment. Not many amendments have suffered the fat of Prohibition, but it has happened and can happen again. But I still don't see it happening with the 22nd Amendment, especially not for Bush.