Axis of Evil

[Alienbob]

Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield
Everybody seems to hate Clinton because of his personal life. Thats his. I don't get why we're so interested in who slept with whom.

i could care less about clinton sleeping with some intern. one of the things i think is stupid is the way he lied about it. this guy who represents the American people is lying under oath and making Americans look stupid. also if any other American had lied under oath they would be in prison. clinton didnt even get kicked out of office. what the hell was up with that?

[CM]

Fable i hope you don't mind, but i will not comment on your post.
I hold extremely radical views compared to a majority on this board.
My comments after sept 11 caused a huge problem and i don't want to start the whole series of issues once again.
That is why i did not reply to that "Turkey" thread in the past.
Frankly i would like to stay on this forum and read and spam and just relax.
If i post in these political threads i will end up getting banned in all likelyhood.
That i do not want.

[fable]

That's fine, @CM. I see all discussions here as ongoing ones even after they end, not as attempts to write formal, fixed conclusions among ourselves to any major issues for all the world to know. If we had all the answers, we wouldn't be discussing 'em on a board.

[CM]

Thanks for understanding.
Oh yeah i have all the answers, but it is against the divine plan so i can't say much!

[fable]

Originally posted by CM
Thanks for understanding.
Oh yeah i have all the answers, but it is against the divine plan so i can't say much!

I suppose you could always check with @Thorin, first.

[Gwalchmai]

Originally posted by Morlock
Anyway- your options last November were limited to Bush/ Chaney or Gore/ Libermen, (who already started a campaign for president in 2004) do you honestly think Gore would be much better than Bush? (I am just giving you the other position, personally I wanted Gore to win, and I still would rather him over Bush)

Gore's policies on the economy would have served this country better in the last year, that's for sure. I don't know about his foreign policies. I must say, if McCain had been a choice instead of Bush, I would have been in a quandary - a frightening situation for a left-leaning individual like me....

[fable]

Originally posted by Gwalchmai


Gore's policies on the economy would have served this country better in the last year, that's for sure. I don't know about his foreign policies. I must say, if McCain had been a choice instead of Bush, I would have been in a quandary - a frightening situation for a left-leaning individual like me....

Bush and McCain both scared me. They sounded so reasonable and moderate--when speaking to national media; but when speaking before (and being reported in) far right religious media, or corporate gatherings, their positions were so different that I had to immediately distrust whatever I heard. I can still recall McCain and Bush arguing before the faithful that each was more conservative than the other--McCain actually claimed Bush was a "closet moderate!"

[Mr Snow]

Doesn't having a ultra conservative person in such a position of power concern anyone there?, we only have 1 ultra conservative in Australian politics that I'm aware of (Fred Nile) and the thought of him getting any more power than he has (Senator) would send shivers down my spine.

[Curdis]

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@Mr Snow, (Glad this is in the axis of evil thread ). Brian Haradine (Independant Federal Senator From Tasmania) is at least as far right a religious conservative as Fred Nile, and due to Australia's Senate election system is voted in by a very small number of votes (mainly sheep farmers) every 8 years! Fred Nile is only a Member of the NSW upper house and while that's bad enough, Brian Haradine has had a significant impact on Australia's policy positions on a number of issues because he can hold the balance of power in the Australian Senate. So sorry to make you shiver. - Curdis !

[Mr Snow]

@Curdis: Yes I forgot about him, but even worse would have been (IMO) Beazley, cause from what was in his autobiography, he was raised a very strick religious man(can't rememer what sect at the moment, but something like SDA/Morman [those type, not main stream]) and a union boy (Shudder/shudder/shudder).

Now Johny isn't all that great but he sticks to what he believes in and doesn't (too often) pander to anyone who'll whinge to him.
Which is how I see most american politicians, sucking up excessively to the voters.

Opinions?

[Curdis]

@Mr Snow - We've already established that I don't have the good sense to come in out of the rain (Balmain supporter - and other evidence).

As the majority of SYM probably thought that a 'map of tassie' had something to do with a Warner Brother's cartoon (This is Australian Politics we're talking about).

I don't really think my opinion is worth posting. In outline it would be Beazley - YUK, Howard - YUK, Ah WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER CHOICE!

To the broader issue of politicans and public opinion resulting in short term decisions for short term gains. I really think the Americans and our good selves are in pretty much the same boat (Tampa?). I think that John Howard claiming the role of the USA's deputy in the Asia Pacific Region was about as bizarre a piece of public opinion motivated retoric as your likely to see in the forseeable future.

I now gag myself on the topic of Australian Politics.

Why did you call Brisbane Brisvagas? Is it a common call? - Curdis !

[Mr Snow]

Originally posted by Curdis
Why did you call Brisbane Brisvagas? Is it a common call? - Curdis !

Just Slang up here, any town of middling importance (basically the whole state) has vagas added to it eg: Rockvagas = Rockhampton, Gladvagas = Gladstone.
It's really just a slur, being sarcastic about a place saying that it is better than it really is.
Like calling the local paper (as in major types=SMH/Age etc, not the suburban ones) the "Daily Astonisher". (Definately insert The Courier Mail here )

Or being a brisbane boy you could also say I'm a "Yocal" instead of local (I generally use it when dealing with anyone who doesn't work/live in the area "Don't worry about me, I'm just a Yocal".

Cruel but True.

Which is getting very off-topic, but with the "Axis of Evil" line, the thing that gets me is that Bush/or whoever thought up the policy is being very short-sighted, infact one could say counter-productive.
IMO: Take Iran, sure they weren't the bees-knees with american before, but from what I was seeing, they were slowly heading for democracy but putting them in the "Axis of Evil" group will just give the anti-american/democratic people weapons (metaphorically) to use, also gets people's back-up about it (I know it would for me "Whose the US to say who's evil or not?... Ef off"), North Korea is a basket case - kick them when they're down and make sure they never unify with the south while they (the US) are at it.
Saddam is another story but it still gives more power to the US's opposition than the US will ever get out of it.

Just My two cents.