Ancient writings give right to chastise Jews

[Rookierookie]

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjourna...631a31&k=58869

And when you thought you've seen everything...

Even more scary is the final line. What kind of 16-year olds are that stupid?

[Aramant]

When people say the Holocaust was a myth, I always assumed they simply meant they believe Jews are mythological creatures, like fairies or third-cousins.

[Phreddie]

Right, and nixon never told a lie.

Although it is refreshing in a sense to read those stories about those really whacked up people in the world, makes my family not seem so wierd...

[fable]

Sounds more like dissociative dementia. But then, the "news" article was (typically) short on facts. We know nothing about the man's previous opinions, any history of erratic behavior, etc. From the way the thing was written, he sounds as though he could just as easily have obsessed on any other prominent minority group.

[Luis Antonio]

People are each time believing less the holocaust suffering. I dont know why, but I see that kids nowadays think of Hitler and the Jews as legendary people, a myth from the past that bothers them in history tests. That is not good, IMO.

[Aramant]

Originally Posted by Luis Antonio

I dont know why, but I see that kids nowadays think of Hitler and the Jews as legendary people, a myth from the past that bothers them in history tests.

Don't be silly.

They're also in movies.

[Luis Antonio]

Originally Posted by Aramant

Don't be silly.

They're also in movies.

Tales told by romantic people, to sell movies, with an innacurate view on history. There's the Schindler's List, but the rest of them are either portraiting every German as a child-eater, and every Jew as a pathetic victim, and how the freedom fighters freed them all. So, it is becomming a legend, IMO. Visual impact and an accepted storyline sell better than complex conflicts.

[Hill-Shatar]

Well, we all know that World War I didn't happen either, and that the battle of Trifalger, Nelson, and the Victory also never appeared in history, and of course Sir Brock did make it to get reinforcements at Waterloo, and the Chanak affair was blown out of proportion...

JFK was not assassinated, Canadians are Imperialistic Fiends bent on world domination (except Aegis: He only wants Michigan) the Frecnha nd English are really the same people and the CIA are trying to probe our minds with Xrays fro satelites in Geosynchronous orbit above our heads.

Although the true number was never known, the amount oif bodies that they did find, and the amount of gas tins used, among other items, lead me to believe, personally, that the minimum they set (well into the millions, I believe) is very much a true number. Otherwise, I do believe that the amount of decapitated, burned and other desecrated bosdies (I would rather not mention some acts) did well exceed the half million mark, if not higher, and many more Jewish people were labeled missing/dead than they ever put into the history books, as, I already said this, they do not know the true number.

Anyways, Hill-Shatar's ramblings are over for the day, you may continue with whatever conversation you were having.

[dj_venom]

I just laugh at the sheer idiocy exhibited in this fictitious piece...

...denied the Holocaust...

He told the jury that 350,000 Jews -- not six million -- died in the Holocaust.

It didn't happen... yet 350,000 people died during it... is it just me, or is this guy a nut?

...Jews are responsible for creating the Ebola and AIDS viruses...

Judaism (sp?) is a choice by humans. It has no impact whatsoever on genetics, as it is simply faith, not a born choice. As such, you would have to be insane to believe that.

the collapse of the World Trade Centre towers and the Columbia space shuttle disaster.

Aaah, it's so obvious now. Millions of people around the world, sharing one faith, gathered together to plan destruction for no purpose. I mean, what's more fun than blowing up stuff? Seriously, there is no motive for these acts, so why would they do it.

One 16-year-old who e-mailed Mueller wrote: "It's hard to find people who think like you... The Jews are the real criminals and the bad, rotten apples of the world."

First of all, if a 16 year old felt that strongly, I am sure there would have been more cursing in that email. Secondly, just remember, God also told Bush to go to war.

[Fenix]

Originally Posted by RookieRookie

Even more scary is the final line. What kind of 16-year olds are that stupid?

Haven't you watched American History X? I remember being told that the crap that went on in the movie held a lot of truth about the skin head punks in USA (But don't quote me on that).

Originally Posted by Luis Antonio

Tales told by romantic people, to sell movies, with an innacurate view on history. There's the Schindler's List, but the rest of them are either portraiting every German as a child-eater, and every Jew as a pathetic victim, and how the freedom fighters freed them all. So, it is becomming a legend, IMO. Visual impact and an accepted storyline sell better than complex conflicts.

I don't think I've seen a single Holocaust movie where the Polish, Russians, communists, gypsies, homosexuals or any other person deemed 'subhuman' by the Nazi high command were made out to be as royally screwed as the Jewish victims in the holocaust...I mean, Poland had 2/3's of it's Gentile population wiped out by the Nazi's, and were considered as bad as the Jew's..Russia, during the Stalingrad, Leningrad (and that other Russian city..can't remember it's name) battles were losing more people a day than the amount in the Australian army during WW2

Originally Posted by dj_venom

Judaism (sp?) is a choice by humans. It has no impact whatsoever on genetics, as it is simply faith, not a born choice. As such, you would have to be insane to believe that.

I remember finding out the anti-Semitism was a definition for racism in the dictionary..

He told the jury that 350,000 Jews -- not six million -- died in the Holocaust. The media, controlled by the Jewish elite, inflated the number and wrongly blamed Adolf Hitler, he said.

This is about the only bit in his rant that I don't dismiss completely - I honestly believe that there are some Hebrews & Zionists out there who are milking the Holocaust for all it's worth, and have created lies about it to further demonise the Nazi's and further inspire sympathy for them...for Israel.
I once read, from multiple sources, that the actual figure of Jew's in the Holocaust was 5.3 million - which is fine for rounding up to 6, it would be terrible to ignore any victims who might not have been counted, however I continued to read that the figure was from *all* Jew's who were killed/murdered from a result of World War 2, not in the Holocaust. (Jewish soldiers who were KIA) - and there have been inconsistencies about methods of extermination used in the concentration camps by Jewish testimonies.

And from looking at the media and general overview, the general consensus is that Nazi's were the worst, most brutal and horrible people there were..yet what about the goulags and the 40 million people systematically murdered through purgings in communist Russia under Stalin? But hey, what do I know. :/

/crazy off topic rant

Oh, and for the records - I am not racist and do not discriminate between religions (at least I don't think so :/)..and I do believe the Holocaust did happen.

[Aramant]

Originally Posted by Fenix

what about the goulags and the 40 million people systematically murdered through purgings in communist Russia under Stalin? But hey, what do I know. :/

Better red than dead!

Um...

[The Z]

Originally Posted by Fenix

And from looking at the media and general overview, the general consensus is that Nazi's were the worst, most brutal and horrible people there were..yet what about the goulags and the 40 million people systematically murdered through purgings in communist Russia under Stalin? But hey, what do I know. :/

King Leopold killed millions of Africans making his Congo Free State and you don't see anyone crying about that.

[Hill-Shatar]

Originally Posted by The Z

King Leopold killed millions of Africans making his Congo Free State and you don't see anyone crying about that.

No. You don't. If you want more people to hear about it, post about it. My opinion, anyways.

No doubt there was a lot of crying out about injustice and such, but you also have to remember that Stalin did this quietly. He did not announce, like Hitler, that he was attempting to cleanse the world of the Jewish people, or anything like that. The quieter they keep it, the less other people will notice it.

There was not constant media about it, as there was through the second world war daily. Stalin was never really noticed, all they looked at was corrupt workings, not the death toll slowly climbing.

[Fenix]

Originally Posted by The Z

King Leopold killed millions of Africans making his Congo Free State and you don't see anyone crying about that.

Yes...that was part of my point (Cah-razy Belgiums ), I was just talking about WW2, but there are many more mass genocides around that have remained relatively 'quiet'.

Originally Posted by Aramant

Better red than dead!

Um...

- That didn't make sense though...but meh.

Originally Posted by Hill-Shatar

No doubt there was a lot of crying out about injustice and such, but you also have to remember that Stalin did this quietly. He did not announce, like Hitler, that he was attempting to cleanse the world of the Jewish people, or anything like that. The quieter they keep it, the less other people will notice it.

Wasn't Hirohito (sp?) really public and 'boisterous' about the creation of a Japanese Emipre of eastern Asia?
I'm not too sure about that though..

[Hill-Shatar]

Wasn't Hirohito (sp?) really public and 'boisterous' about the creation of a Japanese Emipre of eastern Asia?
I'm not too sure about that though..

Well, not as much as Hitler was, in his fascist views. I doubt you heard daily in the media at the time 'Hirohito Kills Seven Thousand More" instead of the German war, which was far more publicized through the European people as a whole in the first place.

Otherwise, there were very few witnesses and evidence found regarding Hirohito, but I have heard more of him than Stalin. In fact... Stalin, I know very little of, but I do know a lot about the actions of the army of Japan (not as much as Aegis, probably) than many, from the Repulse down to the Winnipoeg Grenadiers.

Not as publicized, not as many deaths in such a short time, and the deaths were much less painful, usually gunshots to the back of the head. Also, sometimes they let children live a while longer, while the German people ushered woman and children and babaies together to be killed at once.

From what I remember, really.