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Old 06-03-2007, 12:51 PM
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What does it have to do with realities of war? Or maturity of the game?
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Old 06-03-2007, 02:22 PM
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I'm not one for taking the moral higher ground, but I do must say that I find the very thought of those things you mentioned in a game sickening, and would have a very hard time playing anything like it. Now, I'm not saying this to offend you or to say there's something wrong with you, but surely, if a game appals a good many people who would otherwise be happy to play such a game, somehow that's a failure, don't you think?

You can get lewdness at any time, but does it necessarily have to be in combination with other things you like? Dostoevsky managed to write some of the best novels in history without any reference to sex whatsoever (lights go down, you know what it means ); Céline described all the world's madness, abjection and cruelty, in a most convincing manner, entirely without resorting to sickening descriptions of violence. Of course, the reverse is not true (Céline has sex and Dostoevsky has violence), but my point is that it is not required. A quick review of the history of literature shows us that there is no correlation between quality and explicitness; on the contrary, resorting to such devices is often considered amateurish.

@ Everyone
Personally I hate NWN and its sequel. Hate is a strong word, but it describes my feeling of disappointment and frustration at the fact that BG and BG2 never got a worthy follower. These four games are the ones that should be compared, whereas Morrowind and Oblivion are trying to achieve something quite different. These two are definitely not bad games, just maybe not for you. I think the real question is, What went wrong with D&D games? Obviously, sex and violence is not what's lacking, but some serious efforts put into script.

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Old 06-03-2007, 02:32 PM
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I played this game when it first came out and it went into my library as one of the best RPGs ever made! I had my game stacked with all the mods/skins that could be found and was playing it at it's fullest. Now 3 years (?) later there still hasn't been a RPG on this level.
A bit curious actually, exactly what game is it we are discussing here?
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Old 06-04-2007, 12:31 AM
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What does it have to do with realities of war? Or maturity of the game?
My point is, if you want to portray the effects of war, it should apply to everybody in that game world, be it the main character or the NPCs. It get irksome to see people around you complaining about the current status quo and all the main character does is just stand there looking indifferent (even oblivious) to the people's suffering and the said status quo. I really detest that. The same can be said if people in the game world are oblivious even when a war is ongoing.

And why did I mention the reality of war have something to do with maturity? Because it seems like most battles portrayed in RPGs and quite a number of games seem to verge on glorified versions of a battle rather than one with a human side of it. Sure, I have nothing against them but it would be nice if they view it from a different perspective. It's mature because there is a human tone rather than a glorified version of killing everything unfriendly. For example, Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 stood out among the crowd of World War 2 shooters with the likes of the Medal of Honour series and the Call of Duty series to name a few because it portrayed the war from a different side. The human side of it when others are focused on the intensity and ferocity of a battle.

P.S. I apologise if I stray away from the question.
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Old 06-09-2007, 11:19 AM
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If your looking for a mature rated rpg look out for the witcher which will be released in september. From all accounts they will touch on some of the themes you want to see in a game. Just make sure you get any version but the US or German version according to the developers those 2 versions have had to be heavily censored.

Also the developers of Dragon Age claim they won't leave out mature content if it fits with their game. They feel they may also get a mature rating.

Personally I believe a lot of developers have gotten scared of the esrb and such and are aiming for as low a rating as possible instead of artistic freedom. I am pretty sure for instance had BG been released today it would gotten a higher rating then the teen it got when it was released. It's just a sad time we leaving in when artistic freedom has to give way for sales and low esrb ratings.
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Old 06-09-2007, 09:16 PM
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Just make sure you get any version but the US or German version according to the developers those 2 versions have had to be heavily censored.
Not sure about the censorship but I recall that the US isn't as strict as the Germans. I don't know what was stated in their law but what I do know is that they (the Germans) will not rate a game if they find it 'inappropriate' or something. One example is from Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars (German version) where the developers had to change the Crazy Ivan animation from blowing themselves up to planting the bomb before running away. They had to do this because of the law.
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Old 06-10-2007, 02:35 AM
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Not sure about the censorship but I recall that the US isn't as strict as the Germans. I don't know what was stated in their law but what I do know is that they (the Germans) will not rate a game if they find it 'inappropriate' or something. One example is from Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars (German version) where the developers had to change the Crazy Ivan animation from blowing themselves up to planting the bomb before running away. They had to do this because of the law.
From what I heard the German's are strict on the violence while the US are strict on the nudity.

Doesn't really concern me since here in South Africa we always get the Uk version.
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