Vhailor? Need some help. *Major Spoilers*

[fable]

Originally Posted by Qwinn

You're incorrect. The lowest level you can get him is level 9. Take a look at the VHAIL.CRE file in Near Infinity, if you doubt. That number doesn't magically change. I actually don't think you'll get him at a higher level either. It's level 9, every time.

I have gotten him at level 7. I know this for a fact. Probably could have done it considerably earlier, if I'd wanted to.

When his CON goes up, his hit point bonus is added retroactively. I just tested it to make sure. Had him at level 8 with 92 hp. Upgraded him. Result: level 8 Morte with 108 hp.

Point taken.

Also, Morte and Vhailor would both continue to gain HP at the same rate. They're both fighters with high CON. But every hit point Morte gains is worth 4 hit points for Vhailor, due to his 75% damage resistance. There's really no comparison.

Sure there is, if you get Vhailor early enough.

So your argument is predicated upon getting Vhailor late. My argument is predicated upon getting Vhailor early. I fail to see where I'm wrong in suggesting Vhailor is a great tank, and potentially the best you can add to your party. You've only proved that Morte is also a great tank, potentially the best in a party, and that you really like to argue.

[Qwinn]

I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. You have never gotten Vhailor at level 7. It isn't possible. There would have to be alternate .CRE files for Vhailor in order to do this, and there are none for Vhailor at any level other than 9. That's simply how the Infinity Engine works.

And, if there WERE alternate CRE files that allowed you to get him at level 7, then he would have less hit points too. It makes absolutely no sense that he'd have exactly 100 hit points whether you got him at level 7 or level 9, since HP is dependent upon level.

And as I have ALSO pointed out, -you- can't get to Vhailor as low as level 7, unless you skipped all Curst quests (EDIT: no, not even then, see below) which is just a dumb thing to do and certainly not worth getting Vhailor at level 7 for, even if that could work, which it can't. The vast bulk (we're talking 90%+) of xp in the game is not earned in side quests, it is gained along the main quest line, which you -have- to go through in order to get to Vhailor. As I said, my Morte had 715,000 xp by the time I got to Vhailor, who always has 250,000 xp. What content do you think you could possibly have skipped that would be worth almost half a million xp for ONE NPC in your party, given that the very highest xp reward in Sigil for a non-main quest is probably around 10k (and that to be divided among your party)?

Lastly, I'll say it again - my argument is NOT dependent on "getting Vhailor early" even if that were possible. You're quibbling about Vhailor maybe having, what, 10 hp difference? My argument is that every hp Morte has is equal to 4 hit points for Vhailor, due to the 75% damage resistance which you're not disputing. It's -not even close-. Vhailor could have 400 hp, and Morte would still be a much better tank, because FFG's heals would effectively be quadrupled.

Qwinn

[Qwinn]

Checking on something:

I've been assuming you've meant that you've gotten Vhailor where HIS level is 7, while still having 100 hp. I've assumed this because this is the only way in which what you're arguing would give him an HP advantage over Morte.

If you meant that YOU were level 7 by the time you got him... no, absolutely not possible, no way, no how. Your conversation with Ravel alone would put you higher than that. Just meeting her gives you 90k xp, and another unavoidable 130k xp to the protagonist alone when you find out about Trias, and about another 300k minimum xp split between the party (and more like half a million if you actually talk to her about everything). That single conversation alone would put you at 9th level or better, if you met her with 0 xp.

Since the most xp you can possibly have at level 7 is as a fighter with 124,999 xp (and even less as a mage, only 89,999)... no, not even remotely possible.

Qwinn

[Deman]

During my play-through, I found that Nordom was the most combat efficient character, except for the NO of course. Also, Nordom's AC is better than Vhailor's and if you upgrade him he'll even end up with MORE HPs.