Black Metal

[Kipi]

Originally Posted by Sator

No offense to anyone, I'm merely expressing my personal tastes and opinion.

I hate all forms of metal, and the harder (as in the more the main singer screams/grunts in the mike and the louder the scratching on the guitars) the worse it is for me. I think this music inspires aggression and hate and i especially dislike fans that go a bit too deep in their obsession and thus join satanist cults.. I agree that everyone has a right to like/dislike whatever he/she wants, but if i ever catch a bunch of people desecrating a graveyard, i would go berserk.

Sorry, but I agree with Gilliatt in this. And no offense meant...

Let's a think about the other music styles for a moment, like rap. Most of the songs I have heard (at times I'm forced to listen it from radio...) contains mostly lyrics about how good the singer is, how he/she beats everybody down with guns, how rappers are the only ones who get beutiful women and so on... with curses, of course. Also, the music videos are mostly about half-naked women, rappers who try to look though and so on...

Of course, that is only my opinion about that music genre...

First of all, do you really think that metal is born from hate and anger?
Then you definately haven't listened any other metal than few hardcore bands, if any at all, as I could name dozens of metal bands whose music simply doesn't fill that statement. Nightwish, Sonata Arctica, Apocalyptica, Tarot, Rammstein (most of their tracks), Stratovarius and Twilight Guardians are good example of it.

And metal = music of satan, as I was able to read from your post?
If you read even some of the lyrics of most metal bands (yes, black metal bands as well), you would notice that only minor of those even talk about satan or religion at all...

And metal fan = satan worshipper? Get outta here!
I've been fan of metal music (basically, the heavier the better) for years (sixt year this summer, actually), and I'm definately NOT satan worshipper or any kind of cultist. And I have dozens of friends, all of them are metal fans like me, and neither is none of them any kind of cultist or such...

Of course, no one tells you to like metal. It's your opinion as is my opinion about rap, and I respect that. But please, as long as you simply do not posses enough information, don't come to claim something to be fact just becuase you believe so.
(I'm referring to the anger & hate statement as well as the satanistic music -statement here...)

Again no offense meant, so I hope you don't take it as such.

Originally Posted by Fibey

I don't see why every black metal band around have to be "satanists". Dressing up in black and white paint and screaming their balls of about how much God and christianity sucks, does not make you a satanists.

Agreed

And actually, it's very rare that members of metal bands are satanists.
Also, not every black metal bands' lyrics cover such topics.
Let's take an example from Sentenced:

NORTHERN LIGHTS
"(music: Tenkula & SENTENCED lyrics: Lopakka)

At the dawn...
The golden moon was shining bright
With the silvery eyes of death
They had seen me salute the flames in the sky

...Northern Lights...
...Northern Lights...
While you were asleep I was awake to be part of the dark
While you were asleep I was awake to find the truth I had sought for
...through all my life...

Taken by the North wind blow
Into the icy abyss of colours
As I fulfilled my true self
I knew your world is not for me

"...I am not one of them..."

Aurora Borealis -
A part of me still in the sky

In the light of the golden moon
In the light of the silvery eyes of the night
I wandered through fire through ice...
To the valley of the shadow of death

Chorus

Aurora Borealis -
A part of me still in the sky"

Not so satanistic nor even anti-christian lyrics...
Yes, those lyrics are dark, very dark, but they more talk about death and suffering, not religion in hardly any ways... at least definately not satan.

Oh, and that song is from Sentenced's album "North from here", which was published during their "Black Metal" time, when their singer still was Taneli Jarva.
Of course, it's totally different debate wether their music was actually balck metal, but at least many finnish and foreigner music magazines labeled it as such.

[Gilliatt]

Originally Posted by Fiberfar

I was laughing my ass of when I saw that
Speaking of skillfull... I can't think of many vocalists and bassists that can sing like Eric Adams and play like Joey DeMaio though.

Anyways. Back to black metal.
I don't see why every black metal band around have to be "satanists". Dressing up in black and white paint and screaming their balls of about how much God and christianity sucks, does not make you a satanists.

Although I am impressed by Adams' voice, I find DeMaio skills pretty average and was never really impressed by any of his bass solos. And no matter how you love DeMaio, there is no way you can compare him to Yo-Yo Ma, to give an exemple.

About satanists, the ones that make me really laugh are those who say God don't exist but Satan does. (I know this is not the case of every satanist.)How can you believe God's opponent exists but God don't? Sounds like a Christian who would say he believes in Adam but not in Eve.

[Fiberfar]

Originally Posted by Gilliatt

Although I am impressed by Adams' voice, I find DeMaio skills pretty average and was never really impressed by any of his bass solos. And no matter how you love DeMaio, there is no way you can compare him to Yo-Yo Ma, to give an exemple.

Thar be an differance between a cellist and a bass player like that, think ye not?

[Gilliatt]

Originally Posted by Fiberfar

Thar be an differance between a cellist and a bass player like that, think ye not?

Of course, but I mentioned a classical musician on purpose, because I still had the Wagner "incident" in mind.

[Fiberfar]

Originally Posted by Gilliatt

Of course, but I mentioned a classical musician on purpose, because I still had the Wagner "incident" in mind.

Ah I see. If I can convince you, listen to Mountains, Bridge of Death and Guyana (Cult of the damned). That is some very fine bass play IMO. The last two live if possible.

I'm not really a black metal person, but I do see why people like it. There's a lot of energy in that music.

[Warggoath]

I don't see why every black metal band around have to be "satanists". Dressing up in black and white paint and screaming their balls of about how much God and christianity sucks, does not make you a satanists.

but it makes you a poser

[Gilliatt]

Originally Posted by Warggoath

I don't see why every black metal band around have to be "satanists". Dressing up in black and white paint and screaming their balls of about how much God and christianity sucks, does not make you a satanists.

but it makes you a poser

We sure agree on that.

[Warggoath]

ummm, lets just forget what I just said. In black metal poser is one who brings in ones music statements that one doesnt believe in. Like saying "I worship satan" but not worshipping satan really. And you can come to argue with me if you want...

[Gilliatt]

Originally Posted by Warggoath

ummm, lets just forget what I just said. In black metal poser is one who brings in ones music statements that one doesnt believe in. Like saying "I worship satan" but not worshipping satan really. And you can come to argue with me if you want...

It also depends on how they say it. Some bands do not take themselves seriously and make it clear that they are playing characters and are not being themselves. I don't consider those persons posers. To me a poser is someone who believes what he does is the best thing in the world and that doing so makes him or her "superior" or "cool" (that is why I consider Manowar a group of posers). This can also be related to what you said about believing in what you do. Saying "I worship Satan" does not necessarily make a person a poser, but worshipping Satan because it's cool makes one. So does saying : "I worship Satan and those who worship God are morons". There is a big difference between 1) saying "I am against Christianity" and explaining why and 2) saying "Christianity sucks! Long Live Satan!".

That is why I agreed entirely with what you had previously said, because I felt that you talked about number 2.

I hope this explains my thought clearly.

[Fiberfar]

Originally Posted by Gilliatt

(that is why I consider Manowar a group of posers)

Noob!
I'm just kidding. Their Death to False metal warcry is a little too much sometime. I say it suited them better in the 80s than today.

I don't know about you, but when a band (and certain people of that band) decleare themselves as satanists, and then go burning down a church, I actually think they belive they're satanists themselves.

(and with that I'm heading off to a W.A.S.P.-concert. I'll discuss more later)

[Gilliatt]

Originally Posted by Fiberfar

(and with that I'm heading off to a W.A.S.P.-concert. I'll discuss more later)

Well, I wish you that they don't cancel it. Blackie Lawless is very good at that.

[Fiberfar]

Originally Posted by Gilliatt

Well, I wish you that they don't cancel it. Blackie Lawless is very good at that.

Let's hope not. I even think that the stage can carry that 1 000 kg microphone of theirs as well

And then I'm out. Carry on.

[Warggoath]

\o/ it seems that usually in black metal topics we slowly side into offtopic. But to keep one in the topic, lets just ask what is your all time favorite black metal cd. Well, you quessed it, Transilvanian Hunger by Darkthrone. Second must come either Eerie or Legions Of Perkele by Barathrum....