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Old 01-24-2006, 05:03 PM
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Also, I'm trying to decide whether to roleplay or use the GameBanshee walkthrough, because I want to have fun with this but I know I won't if I miss out on something through choosing the wrong dialogue options or something.
The nice thing about RPGs is that they are always replayable. So Ravager and Fljotsdale may have shown through that thread of theirs that they have both made it through the game often.

Although, it might be nice for those two to divulge some of the more secretive sections of the game in the area your around right now...

Otherwise, beat the game, read the walkthrough, figure out just how much you really missed () and play through again. It's worth it.
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:26 PM
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Ooooo thanks. Page 65 of the manual was one of the few I didn't memorize before I lost it. And no I did not get a skill in place of inherited resistance, I'm saving up perks to get 3 Gain attribute perks at once ^^.
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There doesn't happen to be any way to alter a character to cheats or third party programs does there? I used to use ShadowKeeper for Baldur's Gate, and it was so nice because whenever I made a mistake I could just fix it with that instead of starting over.
I've never used cheats. Could never see the point. You don't actually win the game if you cheat, you just get to the end of it - and what satisfaction is there in that?
So - I don't know any cheat codes. I just save game a lot so I can reload if needed, without having to replay too much. Though one nice thing about replaying an area is you get a second bite at the chests - though you may also lose something good you found in one of 'em!

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Right now I'm not progressing in the game because, believe it or not, I feel too guilty not maxing my strength and charisma, since those are the only attributes you can't increase infinitely through importing characters. My powergaming side is taking me over completely now *_*.
Don't you get any fun out of playing a weak character and WINNING in spite of it? I do.

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Also, I'm trying to decide whether to roleplay or use the GameBanshee walkthrough, because I want to have fun with this but I know I won't if I miss out on something through choosing the wrong dialogue options or something.
Personally, I like my first experience of a game to be totally fresh and new, so I don't read walkthoughs until I've had several goes on my own. I haven't read all the Lionheart walkthough, even so, just bits of it. I learned more from Ravager than from the walkthrough, but I did pick up a few bits from it I hadn't found out myself.

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By the way, I'm never flying on a plane again because that dream was way too real. I tend to have dreams about things and then they come true . . .
I've never been on a plane. Not scared - just not had the opportunity or the cash to travel much. I prefer books and computers, anyway!
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:30 PM
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The nice thing about RPGs is that they are always replayable. So Ravager and Fljotsdale may have shown through that thread of theirs that they have both made it through the game often.
Ravager much more often than me!

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Although, it might be nice for those two to divulge some of the more secretive sections of the game in the area your around right now...
Happy to, if he asks the questions, lol!

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Otherwise, beat the game, read the walkthrough, figure out just how much you really missed () and play through again. It's worth it.
I agree.
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:46 PM
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Sadly, I get neither satisfaction nor enjoyment from games. They just give me another world to enter for a while to forget about the real one, which is exactly what I need. So playing a weak character isn't very fun, and I don't miss out on any satisfaction by cheating (though I only do very minor cheats, just to save me from having to load an old saved game). Maybe I'll try going without a walkthrough and see how long it takes before guilt overcomes me and I have to give it up. Lol. At the moment I am trying to recruit my online friends from Warcraft III to play Lionheart on multiplayer with me, to make it more fun and so I can have a second character going since I can't stop thinking about how much I want to start over as a mage of some sort.
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Old 01-25-2006, 05:52 PM
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Sadly, I get neither satisfaction nor enjoyment from games. They just give me another world to enter for a while to forget about the real one, which is exactly what I need. So playing a weak character isn't very fun, and I don't miss out on any satisfaction by cheating (though I only do very minor cheats, just to save me from having to load an old saved game). Maybe I'll try going without a walkthrough and see how long it takes before guilt overcomes me and I have to give it up. Lol. At the moment I am trying to recruit my online friends from Warcraft III to play Lionheart on multiplayer with me, to make it more fun and so I can have a second character going since I can't stop thinking about how much I want to start over as a mage of some sort.
No satisfaction or fun... Sheesh! What's the point? I'd rather read a book than play a game I don't get any fun or satisfaction from! Well - I read a lot as well as playing games, lol!

Well - start over with a mage, then! If I'm unhappy with a char, I ditch her and start over.
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Old 01-25-2006, 06:51 PM
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I'd never finish with a mage unless it was multiplayer. And I can't read, I'm too ADHD. Honestly I find every author I've ever read boring because either they don't write as well as me so I am always thinking about the problems with their writing, or they just aren't intelligent enough to be worth my time. I finally decided to read A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawkings, but even that was far too simplistic and dull ><. So much for reading.
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Old 01-26-2006, 03:58 PM
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I have an idea. If there aren't too many things, could someone just list the quests where you get the best items (attribute increasers, unique powerful bows, etc) or perks or whatever my powergaming side will kill me for if I miss, so I can roleplay the game with the exception of when it is time to get these items? Then I could avoid the walkthrough almost completely. Might be too big of a task though so don't bother if it is.
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Old 01-26-2006, 04:55 PM
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Ah... I suspicioned you thought a lot of yourself, ROFL!!! Personally, I didn't find A Brief History of Time dull. Simple, yes, because it was written for the general public, but not dull.
Go read a Philip Pullman book if you want good story-telling skills. Or a Terry Pratchett if want a laugh. He's not a bad writer, either. But you won't, I'm sure, if you have ADHD!! It ain't that the writers are bad, dear, it's you who can't give sufficient attention to see how good they are. Not your fault, your misfortune. You may grow out of it, though. I believe many ADHD people do, though I have only had personal experience with one grandchild, who HAS almost grown out of it at age 14.

As for telling where good items are... yes there ARE some you will only find in specific places, or with specific merchants/people, but there are not that many of them, and you are unlikely to miss them if you complete each map and location.

There are 3 nice bows and one hammer that I know of. There may be other stuff I don't remember off-hand.

One bow you can get on the Douro Plains map, from the trader.
One is on the Montaillou map, below a stone head.
One is in the Final location behind a secret door.
The hammer is Everlasting which you can get from Bounty Hunters in a small map near the bottom of the Goblin map when you do the Dryad's quest.
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:25 PM
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Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for those items. I am actually going to college right now, so I'm reading several hundred pages per day, but it requires all my effort and is pretty torturous. I just can't stand to spend that much time in someone else's head who has less going on there than myself =P. I'm told it's arrogance, but I prefer "recognized intellectual superiority." ^^

By the way... Terry Pratchett... isn't that the person who wrote the Shanara series? I loved those books back in Junior High, but I doubt they could retain my interest these days. My problem is I started reading for pleasure at a young age, so by Junior High I was already reading adult level books, including many that not even most adults would understand. I just kept reading harder and harder books until there was no where to go from there. Any harder and its just purposeful obscurity on the part of authors in a conceited attempt to disguise their own shortcomings.

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Old 01-27-2006, 04:42 AM
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Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for those items. I am actually going to college right now, so I'm reading several hundred pages per day, but it requires all my effort and is pretty torturous. I just can't stand to spend that much time in someone else's head who has less going on there than myself =P. I'm told it's arrogance, but I prefer "recognized intellectual superiority." ^^
Well, of course you would, lol!

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By the way... Terry Pratchett... isn't that the person who wrote the Shanara series? I loved those books back in Junior High, but I doubt they could retain my interest these days.
No no NO!! That's Terry BROOKS - dreadful writer! I never could imagine why he was so popular. I only ever read two then decided not to bother any more. Urgh.
Terry Pratchett is a different kettle of fish altogether! He is The Discworld writer.

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My problem is I started reading for pleasure at a young age, so by Junior High I was already reading adult level books, including many that not even most adults would understand.
You and me both. Though I find it hard to believe an ADHD child could be persuaded to do much reading...??

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I just kept reading harder and harder books until there was no where to go from there. Any harder and its just purposeful obscurity on the part of authors in a conceited attempt to disguise their own shortcomings.
I always preferred fiction when I was young; but as I got older I started reading as many factual books as fiction. Heh. The teaches at school always looked to see what book I had brought with me to read at playtime, because they were constantly amazed at the huge age range of the material I read - anything from Fairy Tales and Enid Blyton to Dickens and Chaucer. At ages 8-11.
I never went looking for difficult books. It was just that I was growing up during WW2 and afterwards and I didn't have many books of my own, so read my parents' and grandparents' books, because they were there, and because I was an obsessive reader.
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I've never been on a plane. Not scared - just not had the opportunity or the cash to travel much. I prefer books and computers, anyway!
*nods* That's the same for me.
Though I couldn't stand long plane flights. I'd probably end up bored and restless quite quickly. Train journeys are bad enough.

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Ravager much more often than me!
Oh, I think you've played through Lionheart at least as much as I have by now.

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Go read a Philip Pullman book if you want good story-telling skills.
Yep, those are good. I'm a fan of the 'His Dark Materials' trilogy.
I also like Forgotten Realms books and the Inheritance trilogy (Eragon and Eldest released so far).
What about trying the Da Vinci Code?

Hmm...specific Lionheat items (Yay, I can link this post to the game! )
Try allying with the Beggars in the sewers under Barcelona and killing the Goblin Khan for the River Dryad, both of these quests result in a potion that increases your Luck by 1 permanently.
Finding the green Ways Crystals (starting with the one in Le Calle Perdida seems to have reasonable rewards too.
Helping Cervantes results in some nice Gauntlets and the Cortez quest leads you to a cave filled with treasure.
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Actual Lionheart question: If I am going to be some sort of a mage, what kind of spells should I get? Fire? Ice? I've never tried any of them.

Does only Charisma affect mana capacity on level up, or Perception too?

Does casting speed increase in any way? At my current cast rate I could fire an arrow or two before casting a second time, so I'm wondering if I should get some ranged too or something.

How does unarmed work? What exactly does putting points into the skill do? Will it still be good if I put no points in it?

Ewww... Dickens... one of those writers who everyone praises for a style that seems to have been designed to torture the reader until cognotive dissonance theory takes effect: you devote so much time and energy to his books that you need some way of justifying this to yourself, so you convince yourself that he is a good writer. Can you tell I'm majoring in Psychology? ^^

As for the Da Vinci Code, I've heard that it is all myth presented as fact, and considering its popularity I feel the need to avoid it out of my rebellious nature.

As for it hard being able to imagine an ADHD boy reading a lot, try this: I used to read 15-20 hours per day, on the bus, while walking between classes, during classes, during lunch, at home, in bed, always. Every waking moment was devoted to reading, it was my entire life. I miss being able to immerse myself in the world of books like that, but I haven't been able to find any worth my time in the last few years. Ironically, Philosophy of Dummies was the only book worth the time I spent on it. That book changed my life, lol. It put into words and convincing arguments the things I had been considering all my life, so I finally was convinced of them.

Thanks for the other item list Ravager.

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Old 01-29-2006, 03:51 PM
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Actual Lionheart question: If I am going to be some sort of a mage, what kind of spells should I get? Fire? Ice? I've never tried any of them.
Well... Thought magic skills are all good in their own way. But I personally have found the most useful to be Ice magic, and the least useful to be Fire magic.

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Does only Charisma affect mana capacity on level up, or Perception too?
The manual says: 'Magic wielders use this ability (Perception) to understand their spirit, so Mana is partially determined by this attribute.'

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Does casting speed increase in any way? At my current cast rate I could fire an arrow or two before casting a second time, so I'm wondering if I should get some ranged too or something.
Casting speed is determined by how long it takes a spell to replenish before you can cast it again. This is NOT determined by the amount of mana you have, but the amount of mana it takes to cast the spell. So a spell that takes 10 mana to cast replenishes quite quickly, but a spell that costs 20, 40, 80, etc mana to cast will take a correspondingly longer time to replenish. However, you CAN cast other spells while it is replenishing.

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How does unarmed work? What exactly does putting points into the skill do? Will it still be good if I put no points in it?
Exactly the same as it does with other skills, of course - it improves it! And no, if you put no points into any skill, you will be rubbish at it.

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Ewww... Dickens... one of those writers who everyone praises for a style that seems to have been designed to torture the reader until cognotive dissonance theory takes effect: you devote so much time and energy to his books that you need some way of justifying this to yourself, so you convince yourself that he is a good writer. Can you tell I'm majoring in Psychology? ^^
Heh! I couldn't read Dickens now! But I loved the books when I was a kid. Back then, we loved lots of highly detailed description! We didn't even imagine the instant gratification that TV has taught you younger people to expect! I doubt most of you could read the stuff we read back then.

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As for the Da Vinci Code, I've heard that it is all myth presented as fact, and considering its popularity I feel the need to avoid it out of my rebellious nature.
Never read it. It was recommended to me by some people, disparaged by others, and I decided there were other things I'd rather read. Currently I am reading Britain B.C. by Francis Pryor, which is fascinating.

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As for it hard being able to imagine an ADHD boy reading a lot, try this: I used to read 15-20 hours per day, on the bus, while walking between classes, during classes, during lunch, at home, in bed, always. Every waking moment was devoted to reading, it was my entire life.
That sounds like me as a child, teen, and even adult - though adulthood reading was limited by childrearing. And it makes it very difficult for me to believe you suffer from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder!

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I miss being able to immerse myself in the world of books like that, but I haven't been able to find any worth my time in the last few years. Ironically, Philosophy of Dummies was the only book worth the time I spent on it. That book changed my life, lol. It put into words and convincing arguments the things I had been considering all my life, so I finally was convinced of them.
Meh. Psychology and Philosophy bore the socks off me. You learn more about people by observation and talking to them than you ever get out of a book, imo. Some such books talk an inordinate amount of rubbish! And the ideas propounded are constantly changing, too. Which the behaviour and inate nature of people doesn't.
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Bah, I just started my character today before I saw your message. I'm a fire mage, but I'm concentrating on Unarmed to start with. The plan was that I would cast a spell, punch, punch, cast a spell, etc. But if I can cast other spells while one cools down... maybe I'll just use Unarmed against things immune to fire, if there is such a thing. I have almost no perception, so I hope it isn't TOO important for mana later on. Thanks for the answers.

As for learning more about psychology by viewing people, it really depends. If you're talking like self-help type psychology, that is all a bunch of theories and opinions with little relation to reality. What interests me is the experiments and the things they have proven. It's amazing some of the things people do in extreme circumstances, and sometimes counterintuitive. I learn a lot by observing people, but you would be surprised how much of what most people assume is wrong, that only a very controlled experiment is likely to be able to prove.

I like how you clumped psychology and philosophy together. You really are old =P.
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Old 02-02-2006, 05:02 AM
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Well, if I ever go through with my plans for world domination, you should be able to figure out that it's me. There aren't a lot of supergeniuses out there conspiring to take over the world who actually follow through with some degree of success. I'll be the first.

Otherwise, I'll give you a name, but not on this thread because my enemies might track me down...

By the way, is Celestial Smite good and efficient enough to use as a primary method of dealing damage?

Think we should just choose one thread and stick with it? This whole forum is starting to feel like our little playground chat room to run around and play in, lol.

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