cleric weapons?

mistered · #1 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 09:58 AM

I'm not sure on this point. Can a dual fighter-cleric use weapons of a fighter? I read somewhere that he can only use cleric weapon.

mr_sir · #2 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 10:03 AM

I think a multiclassed cleric can only use slings as missile weapons, not sure if there are restrictions on other weapons though. There may be though because I think cleric weapons are to do with their beliefs etc. rather than not being able to use them, where as a mage cannot use them cos he/she does not have the necessary combat training.

AvatarOfLight · #3 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 10:47 AM

I am fairly certain you are restricted to unarmed, hammers and maces when it comes to cleric melee combat.

mistered · #4 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 11:31 AM

Thanks. So I am sure now. I also assume that dual fighter -> cleric is still benificail since a cleric alone has only one point proficeiency but with a dual f->c can get up to 2 or even 3 points of prof. ( I am thinking of dual f2 or 3 -> cleric).

kmonster · #5 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 12:21 PM

I recommend putting the profiency points you get as fighter into sling and hammer/mace/flail (one of those 3). The clubs and quarterstaffs you'll find are a little disappointing.

mistered · #6 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 01:58 PM

when a f3-cleric reachs level 3, can I hold on to the XP instead of advancing? in another word, can he stays as fighter for 3 more levels then switches to cleric.

mistered · #7 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 02:24 PM

I've found out the hard way. I have a dual f3->cleric. I put 3 (+++) into hammer and when I switches to cleric at level 3, alas I lost the prof points for hammer. This is not expected but it's the game.

mr_sir · #8 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 02:34 PM

You always lose the proficiencies from your first class until your second class' level is one higher than the level of your first class.

Aerich · #9 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 05:37 PM

If you're struggling with understanding the concepts, I'd recommend reading the manual on Disc 1 regarding dual classing. You will regain those proficiencies upon reaching cleric lvl 4, if you dualled at fighter lvl 3.

These low level dual classes are fine for normal difficulty, but if you ever end up playing on higher difficulty, I'd recommend multiclasses or higher level dual classes.

mistered · #10 (**permalink**) 03-31-2007, 09:55 PM

I have the manual on my desktop which is checked back often. My other question related to fighter3 -> mages(including cleric) is can I hold on to the level or I have to level up? meaning if I have a fighter at level 3 instead of changing him into a mage and lost his bow skill; can I wait another 3 levels then change him into a mage with a fighter bow skill.

I think normal difficulty is just fine. But thanks for direct my attention to the difficulty key. As the manual says " read when you need" and don't read from cover to cover. It's a game, not a course for study. Let's enjoy it.

Aerich · #11 (**permalink**) 04-01-2007, 02:07 AM

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My other question related to fighter3 -> mages(including cleric) is can I hold on to the level or I have to level up? meaning if I have a fighter at level 3 instead of changing him into a mage and lost his bow skill; can I wait another 3 levels then change him into a mage with a fighter bow skill.

I don't think I quite understand the question. Are you asking if you can "squat" as a fighter until you gain enough XP to level up 4 levels as a mage or cleric or whatever all at once? If that is the question, the answer is yes.

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I think normal difficulty is just fine.

Yes, it is. I was just mentioning that you may find the low level dual classes to be less advantageous should you try out HoF mode. You can max out character levels, thus leaving you with, e.g., a Fighter3/Cleric30, which is less effective (especially with weapons) than a multiclass character or higher level dual class. Low level dual classing is essentially a way to get single class characters without the pronounced weaknesses (e.g. poor combat ability, lack of HP) of their class.

kmonster · #12 (**permalink**) 04-01-2007, 05:08 AM

As soon as you dualclass you start with 0 XP in your new class (mage in your case). The addiditional XP you gain in your first class (fighter) are lost forever.
Even a level 3 fighter with 1,000,000 XP will start with 0 XP after dualclassing too mage.
So better dual now. The dualing period will be quite short, it should be over in the first chapter.

mistered · #13 (**permalink**) 04-01-2007, 11:20 AM

1. Fisrt I want to report here something unexpected( from reading the manual):

I started a f2->cleric. At f2 I got sling(++) and hammer(++). Then at cleric 1 I add one + to each skill. So what did I get at cleric 3. From your discussion above, I would think your anwer would be sling(+++) and hammer(+++). But it's wrong. I only get for cleric sling(+) and Hammer(++).

2. Second, I have a few f3-> mage and at f3 each has bow skill (+++). I want to keep this skill on but I am not sure I can just let the game going w/o leveling up, until I got to 10,000 XP which is the time when the mage get to level 4. I am trying it now. OK, this may be the right word, I want to withhold the dualing process until the mage get enough XP for lvel 4.

mr_sir · #14 (**permalink**) 04-01-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mistered

1. Fisrt I want to report here something unexpected( from reading the manual):

I started a f2->cleric. At f2 I got sling(++) and hammer(++). Then at cleric 1 I add one + to each skill. So what did I get at cleric 3. From your discussion above, I would think your anwer would be sling(+++) and hammer(+++). But it's wrong. I only get for cleric sling(+) and Hammer(++).

2. Second, I have a few f3-> mage and at f3 each has bow skill (+++). I want to keep this skill on but I am not sure I can just let the game going w/o leveling up, until I got to 10,000 XP which is the time when the mage get to level 4. I am trying it now. OK, this may be the right word, I want to withhold the dualing process until the mage get enough XP for lvel 4.

1. That's normal as proficencies in the same weapon do not stack when dualling

2. As others have already said, it will not work. You will simply lose all the xp you have saved up and end up fighter 3, mage 1 and will no longer even have the 10000xp to spend on levelling up. It will just vanish.

Aerich · #15 (**permalink**) 04-01-2007, 01:27 PM

Whoops, I guess I was wrong about the dualing/squatting process. Sorry about that.

I haven't used lower level dual classes in a looong time.

You can't stack proficiency points once you dual over from fighter. If your fighter proficiencies outnumber your dualled class proficiencies in a particular weapon, the fighter proficiencies essentially overshadow/wipe out the single proficiency point once you regain your fighter class.