Dragonlance game anyone?

[Magrus]

*laughs* Personally, I'd rather do it that way too, so if Oskatat doesn't object to an extra feat and Spell Points...

Are you ready to start playing again Blake or still under the weather?

[blake]

I keep waking up sick, but as I get going it gets better. I'm kind of at a stop Marishia though so I guess I'll post the next event pretty soon.

[Magrus]

Alright, well whenever you're ready to start up again, I'll open the game up for everyone else. DZ got ahead of you, but he won't be around for about a week so there's really no rush but with Oskatat joining, if you two wanted to play, have at it.

Hope you feel better soon. Luckily there hasn't been too much of anyone getting sick around here the past month or so, April was horrible though. Something was going around that was just nasty and everyone got sick.

[Magrus]

@Oskatat, I forgot about your HP, I apologize. I rolled a 20 and a 4, so that'd give you 46 HP altogether.

@Blake, we'll see when I hear back from Jaypee on whether he'd like to attempt fitting the game into his schedule or not. I could work that out I think if we decide to go with that system for altering the character's.

I thought through the wizard/sorcerer thing. Given the time differences and all, I'm going for as much ease of use and fluidity in the system as I can while still having a structured system. Providing a daily spell list doesn't seem all that difficult, however...I never liked that part of the game myself.

Here's my suggestion.

*Wizard's have a large spell list to choose from. We use the spell slot progression of the wizard normally to limit the variety of choices a wizard can have daily. If the book says 5 1st level, 4 2nd level, 3 3rd level and 1 4th level, Blake can use that many different spells per each spell level, per day, in any variation and combination he wants so long as he has the spell points. This means, he could use all his spell points on one 1st level spell repeatedly, or all on a few uses of the 1 4th level spell he memorized for the day. He couldn't cast more than 5 different 1st level spells in one day though, yet he could cast Magic Missile 10 times in one day if he wanted, it being the same spell. Make sense there?

*Doing this, Sorcerer's lose their edge. The only bonus they have given the rules would leave them with a handful more Spell Points. I'd need to adjust them as well.

1. I propose adding a number of Spell Points, say 1/2 caster level x Cha Modifier= bonus spell points? Your 6th level sorcerer with +4 modifier would give you +12 spell points (3x4=12). In addition to that, same feat progression as the wizard (1st, 5th, 10th, 15th, and 20th level earns a bonus feat). This emphasises the sorcerer's strength's while seperating it from the wizard. Low number of known spells but higher usages, just as before. Sound fair? That would put Jakal's SP almost even with Kaleb's.

2. Alternatively, you could do the feat's, and gain a number of bonus spell levels known equal to the formula of +Cha Mod Spell Level's every time you gain a level which would open up a new spell level (4th, 6th, 8th, 10th, 12th, 14th, 16th, 18th). This would give you more freedom, allowing at 4th level to choose say your CHA was at 17 there, 3 spell levels of spells to know. That could be 3 extra 1st level spells, or 1 1st and 1 second level spell. Then, at 6th level, you bumped your CHA to 18, and recieved 4 more spell level's to distribute, choosing an extra 3rd level spell, and saving the extra level for when you reached 8th level Sorcerer. Spell level's could be saved in order to gain higher level spell's know upon reaching a higher level. You wouldn't gain any extra SP with this manner however.

Does method 1 or 2 sound more appealing?

Also, Blake's spell list includes spells from the Dragonlance Campaign book.

2nd level:
*Elemental Dart (1d6+1/level of elemental damage {1d6+8}, choose damage type upon casting, +1 dart at 5th, 7th, 9th and 11th lvl),
*Shocking Spark (4d6 electricity damage to one target, +1 attack at 7th and 10th level),

3rd level:
*Billim's Bifrost Bride: Creates bridge, 2 5ft squares/level (10ft wide, 40 ft long, or 5 ft wide, 80ft long at 8th level), 1min/level
*Earthen Shield: 5x5x1ft Sections, 1 section/level, 100 hit points per foot of thickness, 2 sections can be put on top of one another to make a 10 ft high wall, sections can be stacked behind each other to create a thicker wall)
*Palin's Pyre: 3d6 fire damage to all within an area of a 5ft square/level (40ftx40ft at 8th level), failed Reflex save means they catch on fire

4th level:
*Storm Wall: Deals 2d4/rd electrical damage to those within 10ft and 2d4+1/lvl passing through it, double for those wearing a lot of metal, 1d4 for those between 10-20ft away, lasts until concentration has ended +1rd/level
*Spark Shield: Provides light, Half damage to electricity, anyone striking you takes 1d4+1/lvl damage, double if wearing a lot of metal or hit you with a metal melee weapon (2d4+2/level), 1rd/lvl
*Dalamar's Lighting Lance: Ranged 100+10/lvl feet, 3d6 damage, +1d6/lvl electricity damage, +1 lance at 10th and 15th lvl

Feel free to adjust your spell list to include those if you wish to, keeping in mind that Blake's character does know all schools in the Player's Handbook outside the Divination, Necromancy, and Enchantment school's, while specializing in Transmutation spells. Your list is fine, but you may wish to consider the fact a simple shield spell leaves you unable to use magic as an attack anymore. I won't try to deliberatly butcher the party, but I won't kill the NPC's strength's either. Mage Armor, Shield and such are standard protection spell's for magic user's, facing one could leave you nullified from attacking and just as a support character. That may be fine with you though.

[Oskatat]

well, to have more spells would eliminate a weakness of a sorcerer. However, the goal of the classes is not to have no weaknessess, but to complement each others strenghts. So in this respect, enhancing an already 'greater' strength is a less radical change, but does make a difference between the classes again.

I'll go for the feats and the spell points. I'll come with a feat soon. For that time, consider one of my meta magic feats as chosen as that particular feat.

see ya later, got a meeting with the board now

[Magrus]

Sounds good, feel free to grab another feat, add 12 to your S.P. and adjust your H.P. to 46 whenever you find time then. I need to adjust DZ's character as well.

Edit: DZ's character was adjusted as to S.P. (8) and a new feat (Heighten Spell).

I'll be doing the S.P. as a one shot deal. When your level or CHA go up, your S.P. is adjusted, I don't calculate and add the old and new together just FYI.

Since this is a group of mages, I've decided to adjust the game to allow for you to be free-flowing magic users. Some of this will be a repeat of what's scattered throughout the thread before, but for organization purposes....

As such, meta-magic feats work this way.

*3 free uses/day for each feat you have. This means if you have empower, you may use it 3 times a day without costing more S.P. Heighten works different and you can only use it free if you choose between a 1-3 level adjustment. Beyond that, you pay the difference until your 3 uses are gone.

*You don't need to have access to a spell slot that would normally be needed after adjusting a spell. You can empower a 3rd level spell if you can only cast up to 3rd level spells if you wish. You still need to be able to afford the cost.

*In order to use your free uses, as stated above you must still have the available SP cost in your reserve to cost it as you wish to. Empowering your Elemental dart would cost you 7 S.P., if you have a free use left, and 7+ SP, it's free. If you couldn't normally afford to cast it, it fails.

*Stacking meta-magic feats on top of one another means you simply add together the adjustments and fix cost. For example:

A heightened, empowered Elemental Dart, made to be adjusted say 4 levels by DZ's character, then empowered would end up an 8th level spell, costing 15 SP, giving you 4 darts, all at 9th caster level, doing 1d6+9 x 1.5 damage.

Stacking your free uses is possible, but you may only use one free use of your MM (metamagic) feats on each spell. In the above example, you would nix the cost of the Empower, and have a 6th level cost of 11 S.P. altogether.

*You may use cooperative magic if you so wish to do so. Here is how I'll work that in.

-Base mage determines caster level and what spell is used.
-Supplimental mage's use their actions to add spell points to the pool.
-Each supplimental mage can use 1/2 the cost of the normal cost of said spell by Base Mage to add 1/2 their caster level to Base Mage's caster level.
-Each supplimental mage may instead use the normal cost of the spell to add in half their caster level and one MM feat which would effect in with an adjustment of no more than half their caster level. Or, they may pay normal cost to adjust it by their full caster level instead.
-This counts as a full round action for everyone involved
-Only the Base Mage must know the spell to be cast, and only the one contributing the extra feats must know the feats to be added.
-The mages involved must simply be successful in casting a spell without failure, and within sight of each other. No contact is necessary.

For example: Upon cresting a hill, Jakal's familiar sights a group of orcs camping in the distance. Out of arrow range, and normal spell range, at 800 ft away, they all three party members spend a round to cast this spell, setting off a fireball that the orcs are oblivious to right into the middle of their camp...

-Kaleb casts Fireball (3rd level spell, Caster level 8, 5 S.P.)
-Aladine spends his action to add 5 S.P. to add half his caster level (2) to said spell, and empower to it.
-Jakal spends his action to add 5 S.P. to add half his caster level (3), plus the Silent spell feat to the spell.

You end up with only one spell being cast in the round, a total of 15 S.P. being cast, a 13th level fireball that is silently cast, with empower on it. It has a range of 960 ft, along with damage of 10d6 x 1.5 (average of 45 damage, max of 90 if saves are failed), and it affects a 20 ft radius.

Kaleb is the only one who knows the Fireball spell, while Jakal is the only one who knows the Silent Spell Feat. Yet, together, they can make this work, given the cost and spending a full round to make one spell.

[Oskatat]

Explanation understood, proposal for class alteration accepted and implemented on Character Sheet post. Now I just need to find the raven stats

[Magrus]

That looks great.

I'm somewhat bored and I'm thinking I'll work your character in just in case you feel like doing something until the other's are back up to playing. I don't know when Blake will be better, and DZ will be in Vegas until next week and unable to play so it will be a while for him.

I will set a post up explaining whats going on around you and what not, if you choose to act on it before they come back, thats great. If not, that's fine too.

DZ's new Skeleton Warrior Familiar:

5th lvl Minotaur Skeleton Fighter

H.P. 41

Str. 26 (+8) AC 20, 13, 17(+4 N.A.)
Dex 16 (+3) Attack 14 (1d10+10, 19-20 x2)
Con -- Fort 4
Int 10 Ref 4
Wis 10 Will 1
Cha 6 SR 18
Move: 60 ft/round BAB 5

Skills: Discipline 16, Climb 12, Jump 12

Equip: Heavy Flail (1d10, 19-20 x2), Breastplate

Feats: Weapon Focus: Heavy Flail, Weapon Specialization: Heavy Flail, Power Attack, Cleave, Improved Sunder

Special Abilities/Qualities: Immune to sleep, paralysis, poison, mind-effecting attacks, polymorph, cold, and electricity. Damage Reduction 5/bludgeoning, +2 to Strength, no Constitution score

DZ, feel free to equip him as you choose to when you find equipment. You control him as well. He'll increase in ability every time you gain a level in your spell casting classes.

Note:
There are now links in the first post on this thread to each of your characters, Kaleb's spell book, and the two websites I posted links for. Just in case you feel like looking and don't want to dig for them. I've copied them onto notepads on my desktop, but just in case.

[Darth Zenemij]

Cool, thanks magrus.

[Magrus]

No problem.

Jaypee isn't joining up. He just doesn't have to time to invest in the game unfortunately.

I'm not going to do the alteration of characters as you have the two skeleton's, your familiars and I've altered the magic system in your favor. If you're smart and work together you should be able to tackle most anything fairly easily. The problem is the timing of things.

Since you made your character to be a support character Oskatat, if you want to change your spell list, feel free to, just run it by me first. If you end up playing on your own because of time zone differences, you end up being more of a solo-type, not a support character. It's all up to you though.

Don't forget that you DO have the ability to use your meta-magic feats, for free, 3/day each feat. Just so long as you the SP left to cast it modified like that in the first place. You won't use the extra ones, but you still need them "there" to use those free feats regardless.

A heightened fireball can do more damage, your 8th level fireball heightened to 11th level with that free feat Blake will fly farther, be harder to resist, and it does 10d6 instead of 8d6 damage. Keep that kind of thing in mind.

[Oskatat]

as soon as I take the feat (next level) I can heighten charm person

[Magrus]

Ha, have plans for that do you?

[Oskatat]

can I make both DZ and Blake like me?

[Magrus]

Heh, if you successfully cast the spell...yes. If you failed, they'd have to role-play their character's. You may end up killed.

[Oskatat]

and it doesnt work on dragons either