Fallout 3/Oblivion Comparison

[Shao-Loki]

Well. Having played Morrowind (my puter won't run Oblivion) and both Fallouts (though I have yet to beat 2), I can see the benefits of both veiw perspectives.

But what if you could do BOTH? Maybe explore the world in first person, and combat in isometric? Or maybe a toggle option? With some of the more advanced RTS games out there, and (perhaps this isn't a good example, but I'll use it anyway), Dungeon Keeper, you can go from isometric to chase cam to 1st person view. I don't see any reason why Bethesda couldn't, with a little imaginitive control configuration and programming, let you switch on the fly between your perspectives.

I also picked up Fallout after playing Morrowind for about a year. I remember thinking, "how cool would this be if it were a fusion of this awesome world and the first-person tech from Morrowind?"

In the end, it doesn't matter what I want. Bethesda is going to make a game, hopefully true to it predecessors, and it's going to have a certain perspective. Whatever that perspective is, I'm going to play it. I don't particularly care what they do, as long as they don't turn it into a heap of trash...which I doubt Bethesda is capable of doing.

-Loki

[The Z]

As mentioned above, it doesn't make a difference to me if the game's 3D or if it's 2D. As long as Bethseda stays true to the Fallout atmosphere (with a large amounts of quest both interesting and frivilous, with that vintage humor, with the ability to play both good and evil with benefits/disadvantages to both, with witty and engaging dialogue) I will like the game. If they gut the Fallout atmosphere and make it Morrowind with guns I'll be disappointed because that's not what Fallout's about.

[DesR85]

Originally Posted by Shao-Loki

But what if you could do BOTH? Maybe explore the world in first person, and combat in isometric? Or maybe a toggle option? With some of the more advanced RTS games out there, and (perhaps this isn't a good example, but I'll use it anyway), Dungeon Keeper, you can go from isometric to chase cam to 1st person view. I don't see any reason why Bethesda couldn't, with a little imaginitive control configuration and programming, let you switch on the fly between your perspectives.

I also picked up Fallout after playing Morrowind for about a year. I remember thinking, "how cool would this be if it were a fusion of this awesome world and the first-person tech from Morrowind?"

I have not played Fallout before but I've seen someone played this game and I'm not sure if Bethseda can pull of an isometric view let alone even 3rd person view. The First Person view in both Oblivion and Morrowind is solid, true, but when you switch to 3rd person view, it feels awkward and quite difficult to play at times, so I'm not sure if they can even pull of an isometric view for this game. Oh well, best to wait for further details from Bethseda.

[Xandax]

Originally Posted by Shao-Loki

Well. Having played Morrowind (my puter won't run Oblivion) and both Fallouts (though I have yet to beat 2), I can see the benefits of both veiw perspectives.

But what if you could do BOTH? Maybe explore the world in first person, and combat in isometric? Or maybe a toggle option? With some of the more advanced RTS games out there, and (perhaps this isn't a good example, but I'll use it anyway), Dungeon Keeper, you can go from isometric to chase cam to 1st person view. I don't see any reason why Bethesda couldn't, with a little imaginitive control configuration and programming, let you switch on the fly between your perspectives.

I also picked up Fallout after playing Morrowind for about a year. I remember thinking, "how cool would this be if it were a fusion of this awesome world and the first-person tech from Morrowind?"

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As long as the 3rd person/isometric view actually was usefull as opposed to what Bethesda has presented so far, I doubt anybody would mind a toggle-able 3rd/1st person view.
However, it need to be "free" to choose and it need to be a heck of a lot better then what was presented in Morrowind/Oblivion

In the end, it doesn't matter what I want. Bethesda is going to make a game, hopefully true to it predecessors, and it's going to have a certain perspective. Whatever that perspective is, I'm going to play it. I don't particularly care what they do, as long as they don't turn it into a heap of trash...which I doubt Bethesda is capable of doing.

Based on the experience I got moving from Daggerfall to Morrowind to Oblivion I am not that optimistic. Oblivion was really dumped down in its vanilla version and I fear it is waht Bethesda might do to Fallout.
However until something is released, it is fears as opposed to dislikes currently
I just know that I'll not buy Fallout 3 automatically, because it is Bethesda making it, as I likely would have if it where another company or if they hadn't dumped down Oblivion so much. They've seriously let me down and I do not trust them at all ... I simply have no faith in them being capable of making a quality game as opposed to the console RPG-lites with are more action games then anything else.


As for 3D vs. 2D then I view that debate as ... well dead horse, because even top-down/isometric games would be 3D this day and age. The days of 2D is long gone in graphic intensive mainstream companies.

[Shao-Loki]

I'll grant you that (from what I've seen and read), Bethesda really did dumb-down Oblivion (and Morrowind) when compared to it's predecessor.

That said,I LIKE FALLOUT. Unless everyone is just plain SCREAMING about how bad it is, I'll probably buy it.

Of course, with the current graphics trend, I'm going to need a new puter first...

As far as perspective changing goes, when I say Isometric, I mean the Fallout style 3/4 view. When I say chase cam, I mean that lame friggin' excuse for third person that Beth used in Morrowind, aka the Tomb Raider Cam. And we all know what 1st person is.

So, as far as a toggle goes, maybe a switch between isometric (or perhaps a Neverwinter Nights style?) and 1st person "over the gun" ("over the sword?") view would be best.

-Loki

[Tkwiget]

Originally Posted by Galaga Bee

Judging from Pete Hines' recent quote that they are developing Fallout 3 "just like we developed Oblivion", it would seem as if these two games will have a lot in common (duh). Not sure if this was just a reference to the fact that they attempted to include as much TES history/lore from the first 3 games into Oblivion, and will therefore be doing the same for Fallout 3, or if this was meant as "we are going through the exact same development process for Fallout 3 which we used to make Oblivion", or "We are including the same kind of RPG and gameplay aspects we included in Oblivion", or what, but anyone with half a brain can see how easy it is to make comparisons between the 2 games.

Personally, I think it's great, which is why I am posting here instead of NMA or the Codex, where I would be instantly incinerated by flames for making this post. I'm sure the RPG "purists" disagree, but my feelings are that first-person perspective and real-time combat do not diminish the RPG experience, but only enhance it instead. I can remember thinking when I played Fallout 2 how great it would be if it was a 3D, open environment, and I am really looking forward to playing Fallout 3 for that very reason (among others).

It's time for the RPG Rip VanWinkle's to wake up and smell the 2006. Top-down, iso-linear (note the word "linear"), turn-based gameplay is a thing of the past (at least as far as major titles go). You don't have to like Oblivion or Fallout 3 in their new format, but it's all you're gonna get as far as these intellectual properties go, so I suggest putting your pre-conceived notions about RPG's aside and start accepting it, cause otherwise you'll be missing out on a couple of very good games. Who cares whether or not it's a "true RPG"? They're both going to be great games, and that's good enough for me.

Oh yeah, and don't even begin to think that your pleas to the devs for a return to the olden days are going to change anything, because unless Oblivion is a financial flop (Ha! yeah right), you can expect more of the same for Fallout 3. It's not that they're not listening to you, it's just that they have no desire to make another Pong.

PS This forum rules because I'm the only one posting in it and therefore everyone who visits this forum has to read what I have to say, because there are no other alternatives. Woohoo!

Whether I like the idea of a 1st person RPG or not doesn't matter. It's an idea that a lot of game companies haven't really picked up on and some of the major ones have been doing just that. I like the classic top view of the older Fallout games. The only thing they should do now is make it with a zoom in and out feature like in Supreme Commander. But since there are many ways to keep the view angle functional without having the UI cluttering the screen is by allowing the UI to move around and so the player can customize it as well as subtract or add parts of the UI with hot keys and keyboard commands.

Although, it's about time a 1st person RPG that I'm willing to seriously play is going to get made. Too many crappy games on the shelves right now.

[Celos]

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[Deadalready]

I should point out I think graphics make up about <10% of a game but still I've decided I will upgrade my computer as necessary to play Fallout 3. I just hope proportionally more effort is spent on gameplay, character interaction and rpg character customisation.

To me the tone that Fallout 3 will follow similar design considerations to Oblivion makes me quite sad. Oblivion is a nice game but feels rather soul less to me.

Hearing that Fallout 3 will follow Oblivion's dialogue system makes me cringe... could be worse though, it could have Fable's dialogue system (Flamingo Dances).

[Jazz.z]

Oblivion lacks many things. Fallout 3 will be a 3d game and I hope very different from Oblivion. The differences between the fallout prequels and TESIV are quite different, and I'm not talking about the graphics or the engine but about the story, the dialogues, the cutscenes, the humour and the references to pop culture.

I would like rather that they took a look at STALKER, I'm sure they did so, because that game combined exploration, horror and action in such unique ways. Even if it's a FPS, it kind of got the touch of an RPG, with the difference that you don't have worry about levelling up or creating a character.

Not because Fallout 3 comes after 1 and 2, that means it's going to be bad. Take a look at Prince of Persia. When Ubisoft took over the franchise they managed to create such a great trilogy that overwhelmed the firsts games in absolutely every way.

Well, who knows? Let just wait and see.

[Jazz.z]

Originally Posted by Xandax

I just know that I'll not buy Fallout 3 automatically, because it is Bethesda making it, as I likely would have if it where another company or if they hadn't dumped down Oblivion so much. They've seriously let me down and I do not trust them at all ... I simply have no faith in them being capable of making a quality game as opposed to the console RPG-lites with are more action games then anything else.

I do not trust Bethesda either. They're so proud about Oblivion that it looks like they're going to oblivionize everything they do from now on.

[DesR85]

Originally Posted by Jazz.z

I would like rather that they took a look at STALKER, I'm sure they did so, because that game combined exploration, horror and action in such unique ways. Even if it's a FPS, it kind of got the touch of an RPG, with the difference that you don't have worry about levelling up or creating a character.

Are the Fallout series supposed to be a horror games? I don't remember hearing that about the game. Anyway, yeah, I wouldn't mind if Fallout 3 draws its inspiration from other avenues like STALKER but I hope Fallout 3 does not follow it's storytelling as it is almost non-existent and next to confusing.

[Xandax]

Originally Posted by DesR85

Are the Fallout series supposed to be a horror games? <snip>

Not really, no.

[Monolith]

Fallout 3 has become pretty much the horror for Fallout fans, so such a question isn't as odd as it seems at first.

[phelot43]

It doesn't sound like what I'm going to say is anything new, but...

I gotta say, I do not want to see Bethesda make this game. I loved Daggerfall, loved Morrowind a little less, and found Oblivion to get old a little too quick. In short, I can't help, but feel that they're losing their touch. Plus, it really feels like they're taking someone else's passion and butchering it because some Producer told them to. That's no way to make a game.

I'll bet they'll force themselves to add pop culture stuff in and it will only come off as being awkward and misplaced. They'll have jumpsuits and Mad Max leather, but it won't be the same. Oh well....

Dammit the US Government should force Black Isle to reform and pay them they're salaries!

[dtuner]

I've been a looong time follower of the Fallout series. I have Fallout 1, 2, Tactics, and the Fallout 3 van buren demo...all installed and still played occassionally to this day
. To be completely honest, the 2D perspective sometimes got to me, even back then. You had to walk to each and every corner of a building to make sure you found all the hidden containers and items.
Plus, the whole turn-based combat system worked well, but at times became quite repetative and boring. In Fallout Tactics, I actually switched to real-time combat because it's simply more fun watching my team rain down a hail of automatic fire on the enemy.

Those games were best-in-show when they were first released, and still hold alot of appeal for many gamers.
I just don't understand the people who are waving their fists at Bethesda for making the new Fallout3 in 3D. What did you expect to otherwise be the natural progression of modern gaming? I've always loved RPGs, and when I played Oblivion for the first time, I didn't take my hands off the controller for days. Hell, I even called out sick to stay home and play more.

From what I've seen so far, all of the elements which make Fallout will be there in the new 3D version. The 2D, Iso-linear perspective isn't what "makes" Fallout. Saying that actually takes-away from the series, and is an outrage.
The storyline, art, perk system, the witty/dark humor, the post-apocalyptic violence, the vaults and mutants, the weapons and items, etc. These are the things that make Fallout what it is.

Now just imagine that Fallout world in 3D, and as vast and free-roaming as Oblivion!! Oh man... I for one cannot wait to immerse myself in that new world. I've loved the idea of post-apocalyptic survival since watching MAD MAX. And with this new itieration of Fallout, I'll be able to do just that!