Good class for a Avariel

[Rob-hin]

I've been longing to play a Avariel, you know a elf with wings like Aerie.

My question is, what to play?

It will be a low level campain, level 3 or so.
The racial modifiers are as such:

+4 Dexterity, -4 Constitution

Avariel may take the Flyby Attack feat (see page 11 of the Monster Manual) as a General feat

Claustrophobia: whenever an avariel finds herself enclosed in a small area for any significant length of time, she must make a Will save (DC 13) or become panicked (-2 morale penalty on all actions; can become aggressive). Saves are made every day. The panic subsides when the character is brought out into the open air.

Avariel find their wings an impediment to motion when on the ground, suffering a -2 attack penalty and -2 AC penalty as a result. These penalties can be negated if the avariel takes the Ground Combat feat (see below).

Level Adjustment: +1

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I'm thinking a ranger, but:
Proficient with either longsword or rapier; proficient with bolas and lasso. Avariel find that the muscles they use to fly, oppose those used to fire ordinary bows.

I don't want to play a wizard or sorcerer, don't think avariel are ver talented for it anyway...

[Mr.Waesel]

I'm pretty sure Races of Faerûn has the Avariel as LA+3, which means you'll want to be a winged (savage species) elf instead.

That said, the 3 LA means no pure casters, while the -4 con means no fighters. I'd say rogue or something, though you're better of being human. With the new "swift flight" spell in Complete Arcane you can fly for 10,800 gp, and all you have to do is say "flame on" every round for the rest of your life

[Grimar]

i would say rogue, their the only class i can think of that dont need high con.
if you dont want to be a ranger...

[Rob-hin]

Originally Posted by Mr.Waesel

I'm pretty sure Races of Faerûn has the Avariel as LA+3, which means you'll want to be a winged (savage species) elf instead.

It seems you are right, the stats I had were 2ed edition.

Racial Traits Use the standard elven traits with the following exceptions

3.0 stats:
+4 dex, -2 con, +2 int, +2 wis;
+ 4 Spot bonus; + Jump bonus; Proficient in either rapier of long sword; Proficient in lasso and bolus; Flight (speed 50ft unless heavily laden); Dive attack from 3oft or more - piercing melee weapons do double damage

Automatic Languages Common, Elven, home region; Bonus Languages By region

Level Adjustment +3

I see where the +3 comes from...


What about the Winged Elf?
My player has it but I don't and I can't find the stat's online.

[The Great Hairy]

Dump the +2 to INT and WIS and note that the "piercing weapons do double damage" does not stack with charge damage. Add a -2 STR and I, as a GM, would allow you to wipe the LA entirely.

You won't find Winged Elf stats online, they are not open source. You'll have to make them up.

Cheers,
TGHO

[Rob-hin]

Originally Posted by The Great Hairy

Dump the +2 to INT and WIS and note that the "piercing weapons do double damage" does not stack with charge damage. Add a -2 STR and I, as a GM, would allow you to wipe the LA entirely.

You won't find Winged Elf stats online, they are not open source. You'll have to make them up.

Cheers,
TGHO

Oh that's right.
Now that I think of it, one of my players has Savage Species.
But perhaps I'll get the DM to accept a little tweaking and we could call it a (home made) winged elf.

Thanks everyone.

[Mr.Waesel]

Originally Posted by The Great Hairy

Dump the +2 to INT and WIS and note that the "piercing weapons do double damage" does not stack with charge damage. Add a -2 STR and I, as a GM, would allow you to wipe the LA entirely.

Charges don't deal extra damage. But if they did, it would stack.

Also, +1 on the LA wiping

[The Great Hairy]

A charge gives double STR bonus to the first attack. I would not allow it in this case - especially with the -2 STR for the race. That's what I meant.

Cheers,
TGHO

[Mr.Waesel]

Originally Posted by The Great Hairy

A charge gives double STR bonus to the first attack. I would not allow it in this case - especially with the -2 STR for the race. That's what I meant.

Cheers,
TGHO

That's the mantis leap feat from Sword & Fist (aka Foot & Mouth ) you're talking about, not the default charge rule.

[The Great Hairy]

Whoops, I'm getting my house rules confused with core rules again. My bad!

In that case, I would not allow the double damage on the charge for the winged elf. That would knock the LA down as well.

Cheers,
TGHO

[Rob-hin]

Well, I'm still messing with that Avariel...

So far I've looked at just about every class and none really seem to work that well.

Problem is that the Avariel can't use bows, otherwise I could be a ranger.
Perhaps a house rule feat to allow bows is the solution?

Another problem is the lack of a strenght bonus and the constitution penalty. This would mean I have a low attack bonus and little hit points.
I was thinking about a fighter with a scythe; 2d8 damage with the double piercing damage. When used with the fly by attack (+2 attack), this could work. Problem is that I only have 1 attack in a fly by, when gaining a second attack, it's useless... Eighter way, the lack of a strenght bonus and the constitution penalty still remain a problem. That, and the fact that the +4 dexterity doesn't really do anything...
I could use a fighter for it's feats or a barbarian for it's rage ability to gain some attack points...

Thoughts?

[Fiberfar]

A spellcaster mabye? like cleric or druid. would that do?

[Magrus]

Some sort of spell-caster/warrior mix? Something that would only really have one attack anyways and could be useful as a fly-by assualt type thing with spell-casting?

Maybe a flying sneak attack also with a rogue instead. Have them drop out of the sky with that scythe for a sneak attack and fly off to hide again.

[Galuf the Dwarf]

Originally Posted by Fiberfar

A spellcaster mabye? like cleric or druid. would that do?

Races of Faerun has Avariels w/ the Cleric as favored class.


Rob-hin: According to the PHB, feats such as 'Point Blank Shot' and 'Rapid Shot' apply to thrown weapons such as bolas or javelins, so Ranger may work if you apply the Ranged Combat style along w/ other appropriate feats. Besides, an Avariel Ranger has an effective leveling handicap of 4th level, while, say, a Centaur Ranger would like be considered 7th for 1st level.

[Rob-hin]

@Magrus & Fiberfar

Both good idea's.

Spell caster wouldn't work because of the +3 LA. That would set it back a lot I'd say... Perhaps a combo with another class or something like that?

The rogue is a good idea. Sneak attack would really reak havok combined with the damage bonus. Problem would be the low hit points and the low attack bonus. I'm not sure if that can be overcome or not?